Mark Rothko

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от NATA NOVA

Painting in the studio!

And where is the picture? (With Voltaire)

[Черномашенцев Владимир]

Veronic,
Frankly, looked at the beginning and end in some detail. I understand that in the middle of the theme a few pages people deserved to discuss French or Spanish art, in the absence of a serious topic. Do not take it as an American design theme, deserving of attention. But if you want to say about something specific - write more accurately.

But I think it is better to ask such questions in a personal letter, so as not to load a forum rubbish, which has no direct relation to the topic. Criticism or an opinion - please. Every right has the right ... But such clarifying technical issues and answers are clearly not going to benefit.

[манна]

Сообщение от Yaya

because in order to understand them, do not tense up and have special knowledge,

   It was last week at the Crimea, where the exhibition for the first time I saw Rothko live. I do not feel it. Not too lazy, there is 30 minutes. watch a film about him. Then again at the pictures, saw nothing. As a result, concluded that too much space and very little Rothko. And turns out it was not necessary to strain.

[Veronic]

Vladimir, I understand that you gravitate to more traditional art, or rather you mentioned works of Vermeer. That is why I asked you about how carefully you read about American art? Because there is not only discussed the work of Warhol, but also a realistic painting.
You are such a shallow layer of a fully modern art. But, because life does not stand still, the world has changed. People no longer go only on horseback, and fly airplanes, using the internet, in the end. So why art should stand in their forms?
The world has changed, changed and art. There were other requirements ....
I advise you to watch a documentary film about Rembrandt, production of BBC, perhaps he will answer some of your questions, including possible to trace a parallel with contemporary topical art. And with Rothko in particular.
Incidentally, I have not seen him live, and do not like his work, but I can understand why they need it and to whom.

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Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

But I think it is better to ask such questions in a personal letter, so as not to load a forum rubbish, which has no direct relation to the topic. Criticism or an opinion - please. Every right has the right ... But such clarifying technical issues and answers are clearly not going to benefit.

You are so fond highlight key ..... straight as admin

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

But, alas, nothing more I can say about Rothko. That's when I saw his originals, then, perhaps, betray, and their opinions. I have done it, you know.

Go to the Tretyakov Gallery in the Crimean, You Muscovite. There you will see Rothko.
http://artinvestment.ru/news/exhibit..._from_usa.html

[Черномашенцев Владимир]

Veronic, you spashivali my opinion about Amer. art. I will dare to repeat my opinion, which I have already issued a message in "Amer. Claim." Pick of the impact guru. But okay, I did not hurt. The products of Rothko, I also considered to Amer. "art", but I am ready to listen to this theme, in contrast to the conceptual performances and installations:

Thinking about their everyday concerns, I once found for a definition of what constitutes a real iskusstvom.Srazu also anticipating the possible charges in the complete absence of my relevant theme of education and a diploma, once again I beg to draw attention to the footnote "From the Editor ...". However, in some areas of contemporary conceptual art, I have profiled a diploma (see below).
So, after disputes with friends and acquaintances on the modern (and not only) of art, I was able to find a perfect definition of art that has nothing to do with stereotypes, education and science, ideology, nationality, level of artistic training, etc., and TAs.

For me, art is what I am under no circumstances would not be able to repeat himself.
Even if I will learn a hundred years, even if I give the most sophisticated equipment and instruments, even if I invite all the millions and billions. Art does not depend on technology and skill of the artist. I have often observed, when even the artist himself is unable to repeat the picture painted at one time under the influence of mood, emotion or inspiration. Soul, in a nutshell.

I am not an artist, I like that from the Chukchi jokes: "Chukchi not the reader, Chukchi - a writer." I - Collector. But I can not very well put together and pull the stretchers blank canvas, as did the conceptual companion, referred to in the beginning of the topic. I do not remember his name. I can not quite tie to the wall and connect multiple fluorescent lamps, as was done in the Pushkin Museum in the exhibition "300 years of Amer. Art "(2007) unknown to me as an electrician. Incidentally, I myself am an electrician diploma, issued in the Soviet Union, so that in this, believe me, I'm a good specialist. Once in the workshop of one artist, I drew his attention to the set of all kinds of lamps and bulbs, which he clocked at the ceiling to provide proper light in the long winter evenings. Along with spectacular piece of tin, it made an impression far more spectacular than what I saw then in the Pushkin Museum. But nobody in their right mind vzbredet head to call it art. Otherwise, each Tajik, who carries around a construction site on my cars with broken bricks and all sorts of debris, may require too much money for their hard work. Piece - for each wheelbarrow!

See the book:
Museum of Modern iskusstva.Nyu York. 2005 WORD

And ask yourself questions:

1) Can you repeat a bunch of wires and lamps, as made on p. 281 Rodi Graumans? Incidentally, he is my year of birth, but I no longer Kruchu wiring money and earn a living exclusively own mind.

2) Is it possible to produce infinitely SMART cars on the assembly line, as on page 291?

3) Can I use the screwdriver to attach to a wall shelf, as it did on page 274, Robert Ryman?

4) Is it possible to again expand the corrugated board, as it did on page 275, Frank O. Jerry?

5) Can I also "highly artistic" hang on the wall felt like it did on page 255, Robert Morris?

If you have positive answers to these questions, then ask yourself another one - then what is it Amer. "Art". And whether or not to imitate it?
You should not confuse art and design. Picture and poster. Graphics and photos. Soul and the free market.

I was born in the USSR, but am not a supporter of communism (voluntarily and with the scandal came from the ranks of the Komsomol in 1989, when nothing was clear, "seized" with an almost entire group Baumanke). But I vote for censorship. Censorship, to the museums and exhibition halls are penetrated edits things, and still more foul language and pornography. Do not rely on the opinion of the people - in our old quarter there are almost no people. The bulk of the Russians can only call the people watching that they can do with herself officials, politicians, policemen, traffic police, tax inspectors, already, to a lesser extent, the bandits ... or you are ready to use at the Bolshoi our pop stage? That's impossible! Stop already, and it is possible if pay money and invest in a commercial project promotion of an artist or an artist. Example N. Baskova illustrative, although he at least notes do not misinterpret.

So in America, rich people want for their own money, too, be an artist. Why not join the millionaires with their own kind and buy each other something that may well nastrugat large quantities of Chinese "manufacturers". I can also paint a stencil aerosol paints colorful squares! I want fame and glory! But why not consider it necessary to spend this precious time?
There is a good phrase - "time will judge." It may not be rigid censorship, but let's agree not to let in the best museums of modern art, yet it will not be self-tested a naturally over time? It is not accepted in civilized countries erect monuments in vivo, even famous people. Wax in the panopticon to the people - perhaps, but not the monuments.

[spigo]

Chernomashentsev Vladimir, well, you pancake daete.Pryamo "monster" epistolary genre

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от Veronic

The world has changed, changed and art. There were other requirements ....

All the same, will have to listen to Heraclitus, who recommended to trust my eyes more than your ears ...

[NATA NOVA]

Dear Vladimir!
Sdelayme mercy, not deleting the hard work yourself to isolate the "basic idea" (in the title, for example).
I would be immensely grateful!
Pearl grain in the title!

[Черномашенцев Владимир]

I repeat to myself that I, as one of the Chukchi jokes. "Chukcha - not the reader, Chukchi - a writer." Hobbies I have this - to write. But when will be quite bad with the business, I can easily earn money on the writings for magazines. The more a hobby - the easier it is to live.

I - a godsend for this site. I will soon be paid a salary, if I do not get bored with a dozen other regular characters-Forum. Who else can write a readable text? Not boring to see the tongue-tied messages to two or three lines, of which half - a quotation? Or simply torn from the network reprints of student course work in art, which in turn were once written off with the text "times of Azov"? Or online encyclopedias. However, today's youth do not read. As the same Chukchi.

But back to Rothko, forget it about me.

Slightly above, I see people like that look Rothko in the State Tretyakov Gallery in the original. And not happy with his work.

Here are the opinions of another section of the forum:

http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showthread.php?t=31205

There is, and photos and reviews. Somehow some compares with Rothko Amer. Wallpapers - probably because of the large size. Remembering the Soviet anecdote, that the newspaper "Truth" should be immediately printed on soft paper in rulanah, we can paraphrase unknown classics - and Rothko must be printed in rolls. But the wallpaper.

All reviewers had seen the "Lenin" - at best neutral. Do not want to talk about women's tastes, but it is clear that Rothko is impressive only vulnerable female psyche. In fact, it seems, is impressive not for their own paintings Rothko, advertising and the declared price.

Again:

My personal opinion is totally against what is called Amer. art. I call it - Amer. design. Evidently, I grew up and was educated in the Old World. And I was totally drawn to America. Somehow I close red Petrov-Vodkin to GTG than red Rothko at MoMA.



Again, do not think it necessary to waste precious space on a separate forum post, so answer the lowest subscriber, that is my personal opinion on what constitutes real art, he has read yesterday in another section of the site - I do not want to be repeated:

http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...45&page=13

But then again "gurus" would be to scold me for repetition.