Refusal of a living artist from his work

[Zenia]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

An eccentric Georgians painted signs for dukhans in Tbilisi ...

I actually thought about him when I wrote! As you can imagine, Pirosmani, making the certificate on their signs?

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Сообщение от Vladimir

In general, life changes, ignore the technology stupid certificate - this technology. Equally useful as a biometric passport (lived in the same general without passports), or the password on your computer.

Yes, this technology, but who decides at what point and under what circumstances to apply it?
See the other side: at all times and will be art and frank scribble! But if mazilschik with ambition, so he had all his scribble is certified! And the artists who engaged in creative work rather than certification of goods and will draw, as always on the certificates without hesitation!

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Zenia, agrees with Vami.Dumayu that already and now there are types, applied to their "creations" paper with a paper gologrammami.A some very interesting pictures.
I am also not very clear, when the same (with a period of creativity), the artist "deserves" to be with a beautiful paper to sell his work?
Previously, it would be simpler, joined the Union, filed an application to the secretariat and received a packet of forms pronumerovannyh.A now? Some authority should issue a form of "strict accountability" (Why is money, accounts, receipts, credit slip, backs to them)? Rosokhrankultura? Artists Union? "and not a member? Mad geniuses who the paper will?" And you, my friend had finished what institution? Do you have a diploma of the artist? A self-taught ... New Van Hagen? "

[Vladimir]

Сообщение от Zenia

View from the other side: at all times and will be art and frank scribble! But if mazilschik with ambition, so he had all his scribble is certified!

Bad item must still be certified. Just do not buy it and the certificate here will not help.

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Сообщение от Zenia

certificate, it is probably good, but how realistic? When the artist must decide for yourself: here from now on I for each certificate are doing their work! When that time comes? When a teenager starts to engage in art school? Or when the artist-fan for the first time picks up a brush?

As in the business. I decided to open a business - if you like to receive a certificate of registration, TIN, CAT, etc. And then to get or not get - depends on you.

[Zenia]

Сообщение от Vladimir

As in the business. I decided to open a business - if you like to receive a certificate of registration, TIN, CAT, etc. And then to get or not get - depends on you.

So that and speech! That those who "matter" open, get their papers, and those who are simply doing, and they will create, without papers, and that the presence or absence of paper will define the art of it or not?

Not all artists are doing business, and that those who do it for the soul, in my best interest.

[LCR]

It may give the impression that bad artists friendly step by giving paper for certificates, and the genius of all these things do not care, they are alive inspiration and fresh spring water

I think it's not so simple, and automatic compliance "muff = excellent businessman and a wonderful artist = cuckoo" no.

I know of very bad art (I will not name names, I do not want to quarrel with anyone), which are quite interested in the certification of their works, artists, and good, very attentive to this aspect of their profession.
For example, even if this possibility existed, but what's there, even if I ordered a proper stamp, issued to him Roginsky, and furnished it with all the instructions, he would've never touched it (there are people who consider him a great artist, there are others who do not see it - not the point) - so he had a character - doing the work, he immediately lost all interest in her.

On the other hand, Matisse would be the first in the queue for the chips (I can not even talk about Picasso), and agree, not the last artist of the 20 th century.

This fact is not about how to say this, maintaining the trademark and related profits, and an unblemished reputation of the artist, and as a rule, this question is not very interested in art, and people loved him, whether it is members of his family, his collectors or just fans of his work.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

And what about the phenomenon, the artist creates "in the table, no one in the highest standards and no-shows, tvorit.A after his death, posthumous exhibition and poeeeehalo ... Rezone, exhibitions, articles, Tretyakov ... It was the same happens every now here will remember a pair of names.
That's the case, what papers, Cert and chips?

[LCR]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

And what about the phenomenon, the artist creates "in the table, no one in the highest standards and no-shows, tvorit.A after his death, posthumous exhibition and poeeeehalo ... Rezone, exhibitions, articles, Tretyakov ... The same was the case, everyone here now to remember a pair of names.
That's the case, what papers, Cert and chips?

You know, Cyril, I think this is just the easiest case, the main thing that anyone involved in heritage. In the ideal case - a man who loves the artist, if this is not, well, let them do it out of the material considerations, but one way or another, all the pictures will be labeled, and that is a protection against counterfeiting.

Now look what happens with the works of Roginsky (sorry, that all take my to my husband, but this situation I know best):

No certificates, vouchers, receipts, Misha, of course, on its own initiative, neither asked for nor gave. Now, people who once bought his work and he gave them to worry, because firstly, they have no proof of the authenticity of the work, and secondly, unfortunately, are a second heir are capable of requiring them to submit proof of ownership, also does not have, and try to lay hands on these works. I do nothing that he gave the paper, which confirm the authenticity and ownership of works.

We Roginsky, as already mentioned, there were many different periods, and it so happened that in different countries know the different periods. For example, in the U.S. are very well aware of his mid 80's., Which in Russia are virtually unknown, but the work of the early 90's., Completely different in America knows very few people, etc. So, now, in relation to psychosis on the fakes, I often call to express doubts about the authenticity of works offered for auction, the most recent call was about the last steam locomotives to McDougall, the authenticity of which is absolutely irrefutable, and besides, I know who exhibited them - a man who bought them in 80-87-m respectively. And even if we consider that each thinks he knows better than anyone Nishina work (and in most cases, of course, better than all of them I know - but you're on it, probably already guessed), then formed an indescribable mess.

If these works were once labeled, all these disturbances could be avoided, and most importantly, I repeat, would be a momentary opportunity to weed out fakes.

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от LCR

proof of ownership, also does not have, and try to lay hands on these works. I do nothing that he gave the paper, which confirm the authenticity and ownership of work.

You (and other artists) can do no list of works, and what is called "inventory" (not to be confused with a list of museum or registration). This work is otherwise fixed in time. I will write if nobody knows, it can be partly to reassure owners.

[dedulya37]

Сообщение от K-Maler

I will write if no one knows,

Yes, please, please, be interesting.

[Тютчев]

Сообщение от Wladzislaw

Well, in the TG is a pair of fake Chagall works with these signatures оного.

      Please tell us about some of Chagall's works is you talking about?