Refusal of a living artist from his work

[LCR]

Сообщение от Vladimir

simply to distribute information to the business shrank. It thrives because of all confer: unknown sculptor Mr. (pun out?) M man, the speculator's and etc. It would be named with names, facts and photos - all would be easier.

Well, to disseminate this information is not for me, anyway, without the permission of the victim. But I want to say, people also know what they do - buy for 4000 dollars casting, which the author is no less than 20000, go bad!

I also have some experience: eighteen months ago, a collector sent me a photograph of painting portraits, which were given for Roginsky. I replied that no relationship to Roginsky this portrait does not (it was not even a forgery, but simply the work of some unknown author to me. I assume that this was a portrait of Roginsky, although there is no resemblance of a portrait). Then a couple of times this image in electronic form back to me, the last time he sent me a power which was brought to the Tretyakov Gallery for examination, but he refused to attribute his Roginsky. In short, I told everyone about this picture, which, as I understand it, walked all over Moscow.
And suddenly it turns out that another collector of my acquaintance became the owner of the ill-fated portrait.
I told him: "Why did you bought it, you were told that it was not Roginsky" to which he is justified: "So in fact it was cheap. Me: "So you're saying that you threw to the wind on a lot of money," he - embarrassment mynum eyes ...
Well, what are you going to do?
According to latest information, he is not trying to return it back to the seller, not the vparit it to someone else

I do not know whether you remember, I once wrote that she found on the cyber-auction in the United States falsification, I even ran her picture. Since then I have consulted with his French lawyer, who told me that in general, something we can do very little, because they wrote "is attributed to Roginsky" (although I do not understand how you can "assign" the artist painting on which it stands signature - or is it work or is a fake - and the opinion of gallery owners, certain Havrilyukov "A gallery with thirty years of experience, put it up for auction, it is clear, otherwise they would not appreciate it in 1000-2000 dollars). Either way, he said that the only thing we can do is write to them to understand that I keep abreast of Misha, and stopped his gesheft.
So we did, but the feeling of powerlessness, which said Frosinka, I knew well

[dedulya37]

Сообщение от LCR

I keep abreast of Misha

This is the most important thing and people should understand. The works are monitored and all the less they walk in a circle, and those that are "correct" should be marked with a special label. That is the essence of the dispute between supporters and opponents of the disclosure of all the nuances of determining the authenticity of works of the artist.

[Vladimir]

Сообщение от dedulya37

This is the most important thing and people should understand. The works are monitored and all the less they walk in a circle, and those that are "correct" should be marked with a special label. That is the essence of the dispute between supporters and opponents of the disclosure of all the nuances of determining the authenticity of works by the artist.

About labeling idea is correct. About this, I remember, wrote Denis E. Lukashin of Artkonsaltinga. He recalls that in Russia it is time to introduce the practice of Certificates of the author. http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...???# post13265
The documents (nor, probably, technical labels), confirming the authorship and issued by the authors themselves. Ideal solution. And then do not need to be suspended or "record Krasnopvtseva, no evidence of relatives or heap expertise and opinions. And abandoned Glazunov, too, will not. The author has made the work, gave her documents to remove all doubt. I think that this will come.

[iosif]

Vladimir,
that's what it means - little experience! (I myself). I recently started, and generally something genuinely believed that all of the major sponsors of living now sold with a certificate of authenticity (well, maybe except for those that are cheaper to manufacture the certificate).
At least, we are in our start-up gallery absolutely supply of a certificate that includes a color photo, basic parameters and personal certifies the signature of the author. The second option - the signature gallerist printing company instead of a signature of the author (it has a formal right, as the work of the author bought legally, under the contract, again - with the description in the contract that the work itself).
This is a very simple operation. Or I did something misunderstood, and it is about something else.

[Vladimir]

Сообщение от iosif

that's what it means - little experience! (I myself). I recently started, and generally something genuinely believed that all of the major sponsors of living now sold with a certificate of authenticity (well, maybe except for those that are cheaper to manufacture the certificate).
At least, we are in our start-up gallery absolutely supply of a certificate that includes a color photo, basic parameters and personal certifies the signature of the author. The second option - the signature gallerist printing company instead of a signature of the author (it has a formal right, as the work of the author bought legally, under the contract, again - with the description in the contract that the work itself).
This is a very simple operation. Or I did something misunderstood, and it is about something else.

his certificate is issued by many of the galleries - it is a common practice. But as far as I understand Lukashina it is different. I imagine that the Certificate of the author - is approved by a single secure document, such as a diploma gosobraztsa or excise stamps. So the words of Professor of Transfiguration - the actual piece of paper, the final piece of paper, armor! The essence of the passport. Although what wisdom, let us ask of the ACG.

[fross]

To document was protected by a single registry nebhodim gos.registratsiey, otherwise it's easier to fake than a job.

[Vladimir]

Сообщение от fross

To document was protected by a single registry nebhodim gos.registratsiey, otherwise it's easier to forge than the work.

Can not so formal, but something like that. Litsenzruyut also runs a DVD or remember I told you on the certificates of the masters of Dymkovo toy. Technologically, all the issues solved.

[Zenia]

The certificate is probably good, but how realistic? When the artist must decide for yourself: here from now on I for each certificate are doing their work! When that time comes? When a teenager starts to engage in art school? Or when the artist-fan for the first time picks up a brush?

I understand that in Russia art set at a more professionally leg: academic education, and so on ....

But this begs the question, can not in the topic: when, at what point the work of the artist ceases to be a craft and becomes art? Or vice versa .... When art becomes a craft?

And what about the artists who did not think about certificates, and draw on their netlenki comer to hand a piece of paper?

I understand that this is a big issue, it is not easy, but it may be precisely this question - my personal drive?

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Zenia

But this begs the question, can not in the topic: when, at what point the work of the artist ceases to be a craft and becomes art? Or vice versa .... When art becomes a craft?

An eccentric Georgian painted signs for dukhans in Tiflis, and so would not recognize anyone, that he is not just a craftsman and an artist of genius, if not other eccentrics who showed his "scribble" the world.

[Vladimir]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

An eccentric Georgian painted signs for dukhans in Tiflis, and so would not recognize anyone, that he is not just a craftsman and an artist of genius, if not other eccentrics who showed his "scribble" the world.

Oh, did not stop would Pirosmani certificate Go to a museum at Petrovka quickly becomes clear why.
In general, life changes, technology foolish to ignore the certificate - this technology. Equally useful as a biometric passport (lived in the same general without passports), or the password on your computer.