Question - lost painting in the mail.

[vg_edger]

Сообщение от artcol

When the parcel arrives at the customs post - Customs has its debit (clear) and release. Ie to send mb assessed duties etc. If Customs releases the parcel - so she does not have questions for her. You pay a fee , come to the customs, they dampen them , come to the post office , show canceled receipts and they give you a parcel.

If the question is - it does not release the parcel. Everything else - speculation .

And for whom the ban ?



The list of goods for personal use,
Prohibited for importation to the customs territory of the Customs
Union (or ) removal from the territory

4. In international mail ( in addition to the points 1-3 of this section) :
...
04.05 Cultural Property;

[bykinist]

What is clear is that our customs laws (and probably not only customs) is imperfect and very vague, if that gallant forum, we can not get to the truth.

[Магнолия]

Сообщение от bykinist

One thing is clear,

It is clear that nothing is clear.

[vg_edger]

Сообщение от bykinist

What is clear is that our customs laws (and probably not only customs ) is imperfect and very vague, if that gallant forum we can not get to the truth .

The legislation on the import of KC in MPS just have a clear prohibition , despite the fact that such a ban - sheer stupidity . The vagueness is in the process of classifying content send to KC. Here Mann cleverly wrote :
http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...1&postcount=26

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Сообщение от artcol

And if there KC is found , you will be told - this parcel to your address, there KC. Forward KC in MPS prohibited. Unfortunately , we can only send back. But you can appeal our decision - write a statement , and yet , let rest on temporary storage . Which option suits you ?

If the law can not bring something - it means you can not . Following your logic, if you will receive the parcel with heroin , the customs officer will say, " Sorry , Mr. Artcol, but heroin is banned for import. Would challenge or send back?"

[cus]

Сообщение от bykinist; 2424101"

painting artist from St. Petersburg in 1998.
I planted?

No, do not go to jail.

Сообщение от artcol

Report:
investigative activities, to what is called "Controlled delivery" is performed only after at you brought CASE. This is called the collection of evidence.
Open a case on the results of a "controlled delivery" is impossible.

Dear Artcol, unfortunately this is misleading. Controlled delivery - is not investigative action, and operational-search activities. It is time, and is performed to detect, solve the crime and apprehend the perpetrators. Then the results come OPM investigator /investigator /prosecutor /court on this basis (and not only on this basis) the decision to prosecute. But it is - in general, especially - just below.

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

What's the problem?
Well, you were sent from, say, the Netherlands or Belgium picture by ordinary mail.
There sender decided the question in the post, he accepted the package with a minimum assessment and insurance, so it is not that valuable.
Comes to sending your customs, your cause, customs cleared her pay something if the estimated investment in the MPS above the exemption limit, get a release, the parcel under his arm and back.
All of the cases.

It's okay even when the controlled delivery (which is highly unlikely) happen. Well, detained for examination, vskroyutsya, conduct examination, then - administrativka (and the question). But this only applies to single parcels. But it is better, of course, not to become the object of development.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от cus; 2426351"

It's okay even when the controlled delivery ( which is highly unlikely ) happen. Well , detained for examination , vskroyutsya , conduct examination , then - administrativka (and the question) .

I graze, I know. >
And the funny thing is that I okromya all, also for his kindness und responsiveness suffered, helping one to our party.

Сообщение от cus; 2426351"

But better, of course, not to become the object of development .

At me and struck up a business importing a car and its nerastamozhku . AAAAAAAAAAAAA ! ! ! ! !
Just over five years after the entry somewhere , as you said.
 > > >

[artcol]

Сообщение от cus

Dear Artcol, unfortunately this is misleading. Controlled delivery - is not investigative action , and operational- search activities. It is time, and is performed to detect, solve the crime and apprehend the perpetrators . Then the results come OPM investigator /investigator /prosecutor /court on this basis (and not only on this basis ) the decision to prosecute. But it is - in general, especially - just below.

In general - yes.
Only at vg_edger not figured "supply " and "delivery" , ie presentation (as I understand). And this is the investigative action .

Сообщение от vg_edger; 2424451"

This is so organized and controlled delivery and the recipient's signature is obtained on the receipt

[vg_edger]

Сообщение от artcol

Well - yes.
Only at vg_edger not figured "supply " and "delivery" , ie presentation (as I understand). And this is the investigative action .

It's the same thing. Controlled delivery always end delivery. The term "delivery" is usually applied to the consignment , and of sending once accustomed to say " delivery" .

[cus]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2426371"

I, for one , graze , I know.

I, too , with permanent > I tried not to break the law - do not believe ... Unhealthy they are people.
Yes, all this nonsense and Customs is well aware of ( a lot of work , and the output - " zilch "), so send with KC just unfold before. If I understand correctly , to change Russia can not do anything - the Universal Postal Convention has not been canceled (the prohibition on sending KC in MPS) . They say that in Germany the last 2 years have a problem with shipments KC -mail. I come out only cargo , mail, I do not really know, but familiar auctioneers say so. In the U.S. and Britain , and in many places , look the other way . In general, to whom you will get. But our custom in recent years, was back wrapped parcel.

[artcol]

Сообщение от vg_edger

This is the same thing. Controlled delivery always end delivery. The term "delivery" is usually applied to the consignment, and of sending once accustomed to say "delivery".

Okay, this may be a long debate.

My opinion:
1) control the delivery as a search action is not organized. In fact it is just logging routine.
2) If something is organized - it is already investigation, it must request a permit, etc.
3) most importantly, if the parcel out of the customs (ie Customs released her) - where is the receiver? He signed, received, and placed it in the closet KC. But for storing CC no criminal article, right?

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Сообщение от cus

If I understand correctly, the change Russia can not do anything - the Universal Postal Convention has not been canceled (the prohibition on sending KC in MPS).

Ie it is written in the convention? And not the initiative of the Russian Federation?

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Сообщение от cus

Me too, with permanent > I tried not to break the law - do not believe ... Unhealthy they are people.

They have a plan. Once I pressed the cool, it was more than 100 episodes of violations of TC. Well, the guys realized and did not combine them into one case, reported, received awards. And on sled.god them for the previous plan increased by 2 times. A to-do-it is not real ...