Socialist realism - this is our antiques

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Сообщение от artcol; 2348711"

I was just about the Russian market we lead

And what is a " Russian market "?
Why Russian art-investor limit Russian market?
He Mauger invest in Western, for example, painting, and painting those who left once Russian authors.
Nobody zatavlyaet buy sketches Plastov (all pictures are already or in museums or in private collections) or the most successful things Pimenov.
Pebble on Sovkome, Shishkin or Gelos its lots large enough.
He can buy, such as a relatively inexpensive European art (top authors with record goings will not take) any of the Cobra, for example, and a) enjoy the beautiful paintings and c) each year to add to its price how tens of thousands of dollars (if not hundreds >).
What social realism as increases in price? Unless mentioned here Pimenov Deineko, Nalbandian or Gerasimov can be investionnoy attractiveness compared with Jorn, Appel, Corneille, Aleshin or poet and painter Lyusebertom?
Speaking of Cobra:
Belgium gave Moscow "Rape of Europa" Strebel, now that his sculpture is installed in the fountain in the square in front of the Kiev railway station in September was 10 years her there "presence." >

[artcol]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

What is a " Russian market "?
Why Russian art- investor limit Russian market?
He Mauger invest in Western, for example , painting, and painting those who left once Russian authors.

Is not limited, but eats .
I just did not understand: what for (sorry) Russian investor to invest in Western painting ? That's it, invest. No , I understand, for fun, and more money is not lost. But to invest so ? Calculate the steam - consider how many tens and hundreds were added to the price ? No, I do not understand this logic. Dealer is concerned , yes, but the " investor "?

Nedviga , technology, Treasure sorts of derivative - I understand , but what about investments in painting - no. However, it has already been discussed .

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Сообщение от artcol; 2349041"

I just did not understand: what for (sorry) Russian investor to invest in Western painting?

On the walls of a decent home to hang paintings - paintings.
To do this, at least the paintings to buy.
But it is very sad when, after a while it turns out that these pictures will not worth the money paid early.
Hence there is interest in these pictures as well as to investments - capital investments for profit or, in the case of paintings, conservation investments, and also the desire to understand why some paintings go up in price, and others - are impaired, ie ., something understood in the art.
When it comes ponimante, it is not necessary to explain the difference between Rothko and Vasiliev Khrutskaya, Aivazovsky, Shishkin, Serov.
Well this understanding helps, for example, studies in art institutions: there and about the very painting obyanyayut and the history of art bad whether well, but teach.
I was lucky I was, but because a boy realized that Goncharova and Larionov - a good painting, and Repin - bad.

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calculate steam-consider how many tens and hundreds were added to the price? No, I do not understand this logic.

Well, it happens ... >

[artcol]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

But it is very sad when, after a while it turns out that these pictures will not worth the money paid early and the guests at these pictures react strangely condescending smile.
Hence there is interest in these pictures as well as to investments - capital investments for profit or, in the case of paintings, conservation investments, and also the desire to understand why some paintings go up in price, and others - are impaired, ie ., something understood in the art.

Your reasoning is applicable to only to Russian specifics.
1) A mature market takes questions depreciation.
2) smiles indulgently in Russia (if you do not know), the West is not accepted.

You can call me a really rich man, to be the first seriously concerned by the question of price fluctuations on the painting on the wall? What is it, where is it? I do not understand ...

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

I was lucky I was, but because a boy realized that Goncharova and Larionov - a good painting, and Repin - bad.

That Goncharova that Repin - make me yawn. Like a painting. But the essence is not in pigments and smears, this cultural value - and they are equally valuable in the context of the history of Russian culture, as if we are not to the merits of painting Repin ... I'm surprised to hear from you ... vkusovschina The more that people actually vote for Repin ruble, and do not feel stupid or tasteless others who were in thin. institutions ... But this is the way.

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Сообщение от artcol; 2349071"

What Goncharova that Repin - make me yawn. Like a painting.

Yes, I understand, because you are exactly in the painting do not understand.

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I'm surprised to hear from you ... vkusovschina

That there is a "vkusovschina"? I do not know.
Taste - yes, I know. But, as they say:

Сообщение от artcol; 2348361"

silly to argue about taste.

Although I personally do not see in the debate about taste something stupid.
No, a man that's just listens only hope Kadysheva or Philip Kirkorov, foolish talk about Motsate Shostokoviche and, I agree, but try to give it a listen kachestvennuyuestradu, for example, you can.
Suddenly he heard at least Eltona John and Sting, litter Besides "uptsa uptsa," there is something else.
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And yet, the question of the "closed alereyah."
One of the closed - is XL Gallery Elena Selina, and it is so full: "Support Fund nonprofit art projects XL".
I understand that you said that it is not enough, but that the very well-known in the West, Russian Gallery, it is for its existence since 1993, has conducted more than 200 exhibitions, participated in fairs Frieze, ArtHK, Art Basel, FIAC, The Armory Show, ARCO and represented Russia at the Venice Biennale (how many times - just not now say, but just 53rd in 2009: Corin and Shekhovtsov in the Russian pavilion and Makarevich Elagina - in the main project at Arsenal).

But, I understand that you are taking a domestic gallery sovriska nekii art shops, where they sell pictures of modern authors. >

[artcol]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

stupid to talk about and Motsate Shostokoviche

Who is it? >

Syzran, why are you so ignorantly write? So funny it looks in contrast with your aplomb >

Well, okay, let's not quibble ...

However , I understand that you are taking a domestic gallery sovriska nekii art shops , where they sell pictures of modern authors .

And that - it is not? They do not sell pictures including ?

But the conversation off to the side away from the topic.

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Сообщение от artcol; 2349071"

I was lucky I was , but because a boy realized that Goncharova and Larionov - a good painting , and Repin - bad .

I like the paintings of Repin and Goncharova and quite indifferent to Larionov and Goncharova wound another yawn . But I wonder who makes such judgments , that painting Repin bad? Maybe it is not in harmony with your understanding , and to those who gave such a definition. Certainly in many Repin painting and not art, and in Goncharova and Larionov contrary. By the way "PUBLISHING HOUSE " Komsomolskaya Pravda "published 90 books of great artists , including " bad " Repin, but the release is not a good Larionov.

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way "PUBLISHING HOUSE" Komsomolskaya Pravda "published 90 books of great artists, including" bad "Repin, but the issue is not a good Larionov.

Well, "Publishing House" Komsomolskaya Pravda "knows exactly who the great artists and even knows how many of them - 90. >

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

Well, "Publishing House" Komsomolskaya Pravda "knows exactly who the great artists and even knows how many there are - 90. >

And your favorite rating does not know?

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And your favorite Rating knows?

I personally do not use the rating and I do not have this book.