Where sunsets sovriska market?

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от Pavel

that those who are exalted to heaven, suddenly find themselves on the hard pavement.

life examples pozhalsta!

[Art-lover]

Сообщение от artcol; 2221651"

Are you sure that the new modernism is synonymous with "quality"? I think the process is going in a different direction. "Entropy increases" (c)

The right question.
It should be noted that "Neomodernism" cool term: not only that the oil with oil, so also signified his perpendicular staromodernistskomu.
Classic modernism was based on a model of the Tower of Babel (that is, the idea of ​​progress - a new steeper old: in this sense, all the avant-garde styles - Suprematism)).
When the tower collapsed, the idea collapsed upward vertical in art. Future Modernism - horizontal, it will be similar fashion: new - it is not the best, but just a new, and multifaceted (Armani, Givenchy, Kenzo, Chanel, Dior ...).
Imagination is drawn not entropic wasteland, endless field of debris, rolling plain with hills on the horizon): Vertical continue. But they are not made of glass, concrete, plastic, and of the more delicate and environmentally friendly fabrics.

(That can credit that led Eugene, not very revealing: the souvenir shops were, and will outlast it. Rubber women potoplyaemy))

Сообщение от Shem

For me, the problem of quality in sovriske focuses on the adequacy of the form task. And the quality of the form - it is a bonus.

Well be thought that these words Pope admonishes Mikalandzhelo to paint the ceiling of the church ))

Art is always functionally redundant - is a solid bonus.
Once sovrisk cultivated as application design, then have a design: at the entrance, then at the output, and bonuses - from the evil one. )

Сообщение от Shem

Art-lover, it's a question of axiology in a broader sense? "Old" modernism appealed to the "old" ("eternal") values. After much at all to the archetypes.

Thoughts read: just about to consider archetypal axiology as an option valuation system.
But not here: in the subject sur it belongs.

[fabosch]

If directly answer the question stated in the title, my answer will not sunset and at the same time, in a sense, the sunset (before it rolled into the market of postmodernism, modernism, and others like them). Market is what is called the actual art (we will not delve into the terminology, and some use the average knowledge of the subject behind these terms), was (once the actual art was, for instance, impressionism) and abides there for a long time . While not a change in general paradigm of human development. This question is not decades (perhaps). Safe to say only one thing - a hundred years things will be different.
While much art inherits value criteria modernism (let's call it for convenience Neomodernism), and there is a sector of the market, as it takes its sector and souvenir-art products. Sector that, in my opinion, still quite exist. Just a temporary monetary resources allocated by human society in this area of ​​his life (plastic arts) has always been and will be limited. And the expansion of the sector akutalnogo art is, of course, to the narrowing Neomodernism sector (in this case it is clear that the gift sector is eternal and will soon expand this moderate narrowing midway even more). The advent of new technologies, the constant expansion of the boundaries of what is art, art leads to attempts to develop new areas of the search for new means of expression (as it is about the development of multi-parameter spaces - this process is very slow). From this process can not escape and that he would be in the public eye (as far as the plastic arts in general can be at the center of society. Attention), that is, to take significant market share.
God knows, I do not see why the current situation is fundamentally different from that of, say, a hundred years ago. And as some of Anish Kapoor worse Picasso? Yes, the criteria have changed. I can not agree that the criterion number one (at your numbering) was marginal. Just in this area, it is impossible to establish objective criteria to be independent of otsenivalschika. And then, consequently, it is necessary to develop evaluation criteria otsenivalschika? And to them will not carry professional education or advanced degrees. There are adepts aktualschikov too.
It is therefore natural that the market holds for criterion number 6. He not only is objective (of course, to a certain extent), but also has a quantitative scale.
Just, I think, a hundred years much has changed society's requirements to be met by art. And whether we like it or not, this is an objective process, even with all that amount of foam, which, perhaps, sometimes closes the rest.
Yes, there is, of course, excessive monopolization of the market, but I'm not really sure that this market monopolization will benefit. But who knows ...
Sorry for the wordiness - always jealous of your short wording.

PS. I am not adept sovriska: swim in the middle sector, even more in a more conservative part of it, just try to look the truth in the eye.

[Pavel]

Сообщение от fabosch; 2222381"

God knows, I do not see why the current situation is fundamentally different from that of , say , a hundred years ago. And as some of Anish Kapoor worse Picasso ?

Deeystvitelno situation is different, but to fully understand the needs of comparative analysis now and then , and then ... Because there is nothing we can rely on the fact that not understanding the difference between the P and says levity reasoning at all. I do not want to offend the distinguished author , but more surface all the arguments . On the topic you can defend a thesis .

[fabosch]

Сообщение от Pavel

I do not want to offend the distinguished author, but more surface all the arguments.
On the topic you can defend a thesis.

Pavel, I was not so easy to offend

If I had to defend his dissertation, he did not have it here and would spend half an hour on it.

Genre forum somewhat different

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от Pavel; 2222451"

deeystvitelno situation is different, but to fully understand the needs of comparative analysis now and then , and then ...

Different. Select all the possible forms of expression. Right now the new is not in shape , but in the sense of expression through the already known form ... so it will be difficult to understand, because new comes so clearly ...
Due to the exhaustion of the forms appeared, for example , the phenomenon of " appropriation " - a direct repetition in order to identify new meaning ...
But it can be a reality , which has deep capabilities ...

[Art-lover]

Сообщение от fabosch

If directly answer the question stated in the title, my answer will not sunset and at the same time, in a sense, the sunset (before it rolled into the market of postmodernism, modernism, and others like them ). Market is what is called the actual art (we will not delve into the terminology, and some use the average knowledge of the subject behind these terms), was (once the actual art was, for instance, impressionism) and abides there for a long time . While not a change in general paradigm of human development. This question is not decades (perhaps). Safe to say only one thing - a hundred years things will be different.
While much art inherits value criteria modernism (let's call it for convenience Neomodernism), and there is a sector of the market, as it takes its sector and souvenir-art products. Sector that, in my opinion, still quite exist. Just a temporary monetary resources allocated by human society in this area of ​​his life (plastic arts) has always been and will be limited. And the expansion of the sector akutalnogo art is, of course, to the narrowing Neomodernism sector (in this case it is clear that the gift sector is eternal and will soon expand this moderate narrowing midway even more). The advent of new technologies, the constant expansion of the boundaries of what is art, art leads to attempts to develop new areas of the search for new means of expression (as it is about the development of multi-parameter spaces - this process is very slow). From this process can not escape and that he would be in the public eye (as far as the plastic arts in general can be at the center of society. Attention), that is, to take significant market share.
God knows, I do not see why the current situation is fundamentally different from that of, say, a hundred years ago. And as some of Anish Kapoor worse Picasso? Yes, the criteria have changed. I can not agree that the criterion number one (at your numbering) was marginal. Just in this area, it is impossible to establish objective criteria to be independent of otsenivalschika. And then, consequently, it is necessary to develop evaluation criteria otsenivalschika? And to them will not carry professional education or advanced degrees. There are adepts aktualschikov too.
It is therefore natural that the market holds for criterion number 6. He not only is objective (of course, to a certain extent), but also has a quantitative scale.
Just, I think, a hundred years much has changed society's requirements to be met by art. And whether we like it or not, this is an objective process, even with all that amount of foam, which, perhaps, sometimes closes the rest.
Yes, there is, of course, excessive monopolization of the market, but I'm not really sure that this market monopolization will benefit. But who knows ...

fabosh, always get great pleasure from your texts.
Are you in the post charted the whole research program - can heed to Paul about the thesis?)))

I am responsible only touch on a few points.
Sovrisk I have here is the whole indiscriminately all that is created and distributed today in the field of art. I believe that the objects created on the basis of new technologies of modernism value criteria apply, and am in this regard is not relevant to separate objects from the traditional plastic - not forgetting the fact that some of the plastic arts more proportionate to the psycho-physical nature of man, than the other . For example, the painting can better express subtle nuances of the state of mind than in the subject of installation, so the painting will remain an elite niche of its own in case of any artist. technology, and therefore, it is always to get a stable percentage of community service resources, spray with "excesses."
The question of the objectivity of value transfer from scratch, but we solve, if not require rigidity and uniqueness - that with the probability estimates rather wide range of independent experts.

"Paradigms of Human Development" is already changing. For example, if you had all been too fixated on the whole, it is now growing interest in the particular and the individual. This is a fundamentally important process.
Market very late to react to new trends, and unable to make some calls on your device.

It is undeniable that the situation on the art market is not happy with many of its members and customers. Something rotten in Denmark ...
Too much money out there that are now spinning, warping already downed criteria and balancing mechanisms.
Unhealthy atmosphere, soils are depleted, falling public interest heated absurd gigantism prices overheated prices entail escalation fakes ...
I do not think that the status quo can dramatically improve a powerful impulse of the masses, but when the need for positive change is brewing, then why not go to meet them - at least ideologically?
Why not sketch the contours of an alternative in the imagination of the world, where it is easy to breathe, and a good artist and collector, but through institutions competed for the right to be there to please both?
In any case, no harm will be: if any of these fantasies materialize - will prophets, but no - the creators of a good Utopia.))

[artcol]

Сообщение от Art-lover

Why not sketch the contours of an alternative in the imagination of the world, where it is easy to breathe, and a good artist and collector, but through institutions competed for the right to be there to please them both?

You read my mind, sir ...
Internet?
I see no other options.

[Art-lover]

Сообщение от artcol; 2223151 "

Quote :
Posted by Art-lover
Why not sketch the contours of an alternative in the imagination of the world, where it is easy to breathe , and a good artist and collector , but through institutions competed for the right to be there to please them both ?

You read my mind , sir ... Internet? I see no other options.

Pardon, monsieur, kopipeystom not dabble . His noodle enough)

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Art-lover

Pardon, monsieur, kopipeystom not dabble . His noodle enough )

How funny happened .
 

One saw in " alternative circuits of the world" online as "through the institution ," and another for " Internet" - a reference to possible plagiarism.
 

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- Yes , summer this year is not happy - it's not a freak!
Pickles - these are (showing the middle finger ), tomatoes - these are ( twisting a ring of the thumb and index finger).
Girlfriend , absently :
- So what? The main thing that was a good man !