Let's fake? - Страница 9 - Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

Tana · 22.11.2008, 00:01

Interesting article about fakes:
http://aferizm.ru/poddelka/antikvar/...kvar_falsh.htm

Tana · 30.12.2008, 03:07

Accidentally discovered now Nilus PA "Girl on the terrace with sea view", 34.5 * 44 oil on board, the establishment is not sold in the Christie in 1999. Link: http://www.christies.co.uk/LotFinder...9-fe1f64722310

and painting Korovin KA "Gurzuf" 1914g.m /x 89 * 121 from the collection of SRM link:
http://www.art-catalog.ru/picture.php?id_picture=3501

Here is such a dubious Nilus, I do not think that they are one and the same day, in the same place the same girl wrote .....
1.Kartina Nilus, sold at Christie's.
2.Korovin KA

uriart · 30.12.2008, 07:32

Tana, Yes, very finely noticed.
In this case it is rather Korovin Cham Nilus. With this work need to understand, and very carefully.
All auction houses selling fakes sin.
I remember at Christie in London, on King Street in the pre-auction exhibition. As if by chance in the hall where the exhibition took place stood a sculpture Archipenko (obvious bullshit!) And a pair of vases IPE-H-I-just fuflovye. These things were not printed in the catalog sales. When I asked why it is here, if not in the catalog, I was told they did not know. It certainly is easier to answer.
But the calculation was clearly on the Russian buyer! And suddenly be acquired and say that he was buying.
And in the catalog was printed work Khrutsky-still life, my question where the work itself and why it does not show, the answer was the same. Rather work hung in a moment, then lifted her and carried away from the hall.
This tricks Mr. Tiesenhausen, dark personality. To say the least.

vyadem · 30.12.2008, 10:13

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Сообщение от Tana

accidentally discovered now Nilus PA "Girl on the terrace with sea view", 34.5 * 44 oil on board, the establishment is not sold in the Christie in 1999. Link: http://www.christies.co.uk/LotFinder...9-fe1f64722310

and painting Korovin KA "Gurzuf" 1914g.m /x 89 * 121 from the collection of SRM link:
http://www.art-catalog.ru/picture.php?id_picture=3501

Here is such a dubious Nilus, I do not think that they are one and the same day, in the same place the same girl wrote .....
1.Kartina Nilus, sold at Christie's.
2.Korovin KA

MDA ... surely this work could be sold as Nilus there ... he did not even feel the ... work is clearly screams "Korovin"!

Wladzislaw · 30.12.2008, 19:56

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And the catalog was printed work Khrutsky-still life, my question where is the work itself and why it does not show, the answer was the same. Rather work hung in a moment, then lifted her and carried away from the hall.

About! Apparently this Khrutsky I wanted to buy. Made an application by fax. After looking results - no results. I called Christie's questions. Once on the girl polka, we talked with her lovely (I speak in Polish), but she did not know that from the picture. Another girl, who was supposed to know, excused myself to dinner. Then call me back and said that now looked for some time before the auction some expert and the painting was recognized as a forgery. Therefore, it was removed from the auction.

P.S. Auction 30.11.2005. This?

Tana · 30.12.2008, 21:30

Yes, small world ....

uriart · 30.12.2008, 23:02

Wladzislaw, yes, yes, it is this!
And my one friend bought a set of time buckets of silver. One large bucket dispensing six children. And before he returned it was not possible. Then freed himself from bullshit.

Синица · 31.12.2008, 15:44

That's interesting. They sort of guarantees are registered in the rules. If it is proved that it is a fake - we take, say, vice versa. He tried to return to the examination? As they refused?

IrinaC · 01.01.2009, 17:33

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Tana, Yes, very finely noticed.
In this case it is rather Korovin Cham Nilus. With this work need to understand, and very carefully.
All auction houses selling fakes sin.

This is not fake, and a copy. Forgery, when and forge a signature and to be works of masters.
well ... Why not copy all copied, Dali pieces dragged from Raphael

Tana · 01.01.2009, 20:09

IrinaC the fact that I am sure that this "copy" did not Nilus, and the other "master" and signed it as Nilus, but this is a fake.
On the first page of this topic dedulya37 showed photos pictures Grabar and "copy" with her signature "Stozharau" exactly the same situation.

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22.11.2008, 00:01	Язык оригинала: Русский #81
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31.12.2008, 15:44	Язык оригинала: Русский #88
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01.01.2009, 20:09	Язык оригинала: Русский #90
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