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dedulya37 02.08.2008 07:44

Let's fake?
 
Вложений: 3
Of course the artist is an honor to be counterfeited. So you admitted you kotirueshsya on the market, the name was created.
But who will protect the good name of people who want to profit at someone else's fame?
To plant suckers, know nothing about art, can in different ways.
You can simply sign the first woman now famous name, but can also prove to everybody that you own nothing in this art do not understand, and money for you is more important.
I'll try to give an example of just the second time. Both names are worthy of respect, but not two in one now!

Konstantin 02.08.2008 17:56

I do not understand. The second picture is a bad "copy" from the first?

dedulya37 02.08.2008 18:21

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Сообщение от Konstantin (Сообщение 31336)
The second picture is a bad "copy" from the first?

The first picture is:
Igor Grabar (1871-1960)
Unstripped table. 1907. HM 96x100 cm
The State Tretyakov Gallery, Moscow

The second picture - picture is clearly a bad copy, and even to the same signed in the upper left corner the name Stozharov VF (1926-1973)

Third - the increased false-autograph.

Евгений 02.08.2008 20:07

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Сообщение от dedulya37 (Сообщение 31346)
obviously bad copies

This is not a copy of the (bad), but a hundred pood falshak.

Vladimir 02.08.2008 20:10

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Сообщение от dedulya37 (Сообщение 31346)
The first picture is:
Igor Grabar (1871-1960)
Unstripped table. 1907. HM 96x100 cm
The State Tretyakov Gallery, Moscow

The second picture - picture is clearly a bad copy, and even to the same signed in the upper left corner the name Stozharov VF (1926-1973)

Third - the increased false-autograph.

Maybe it specific, such as fraudulent "prowess", then to shine in the company? Type: Vparil lohu "Grabar" signed Stozharov - but he did not even look led "... How do these things sell? After all, in theory at galleries and auctions them on the path ordered?

LCR 02.08.2008 20:43

This reminds me of one of my undergraduate I was a disgrace to the dispute read a series of lectures "Museums of the world" with the same set of slides in ... Well, no matter where.

In general, no one noticed:)

Vladimir 02.08.2008 21:34

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Сообщение от LCR (Сообщение 31436)
read the lecture series" Museums of the World "with the same set of slides in ... Well, no matter where.

In general, no one noticed

It's like a school lecture on astronomy: "A lens of the telescope was made of wood, because up to this point is still no finish reading":)

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I was told that the forgery (not superpoddelki, under whose provenance is created, a legend and the right of publication, and the usual fake) are made on the basis of presentation, the abstract, based on the creativity. That is, people look at a number of works by the artist, noted some haratkernye subjects and then doing the work "explanations". For example, a work of forgers like sunflowers, but on the other - clowns. And then there is "a clown with sunflowers." For the specialist, the art historian, an experienced collector, it looks like a curiosity. But for an inexperienced person, who just saw in the museums of sunflowers separately and individually clowns new arrangement seems quite convincing.

qwerty 04.08.2008 18:24

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Сообщение от LCR (Сообщение 31436)
It reminds me of one of my undergraduate I was a disgrace to the dispute read a series of lectures "Museums of the world" with the same set of slides in ... Well, no matter where.

In general, no one noticed:)

Apparently, from the same opera: about five years ago sold at Christie Bakst drawing, signed and dated "1925". Figure after a trade has been purchased. Bakst died in 1924: D

LCR 04.08.2008 18:52

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Сообщение от qwerty (Сообщение 32376)
Apparently, from the same opera: about five years ago sold at Christie Bakst drawing, signed and dated "1925". Figure after a trade has been purchased. Bakst died in 1924: D

Our Frosya also found after 2 otherworldly Zverev, remember?

Hard lover of fine arts do not fall into mysticism:)

qwerty 04.08.2008 20:56

It would be interesting to hear someone with some fakes encountered, some details, names and characteristics. Yes, and it is useful.


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