Corporate collections, reporting on Vesti FM

[Peter]

Сообщение от lazycat

SergeiSK, Peter

What a collection of SDM Bank that collection Ak Bars - illiquid, mostly garbage. Trehkopeechnye images,

I've seen in terms of painting, not painting a very investitsii.A horoshaya.Eto more image "collection." For investment, there is another leaf zhivopis.No Abakumov, I would not say garbage "!

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Peter

I've seen in terms of painting, not painting a very investitsii.A horoshaya.Eto more image "collection." For investment, there is another leaf zhivopis.No Abakumov, I would not say garbage !

I do not understand the difference. If painting is good, and the cost should be well-this is the object of investment, if investment in bad painting, a bell, it is not an investment, and money thrown away. Perhaps that is why the bank collection of such a pity that such advisors? and such arguments?

[lazycat]

Сообщение от Peter

I've seen in terms of painting, not painting a very investitsii.A horoshaya.Eto more image "collection." For investment, there is another leaf zhivopis.No Abakumov, I would not say garbage !

That's it, that the corporate collection - is, first and foremost, the object of investment. What a mindless waste of shareholder allow the money? Only a man whose "experts" confuse advice from the series: "You see some birches, some open spaces which the dome !"...

Here is a live example: one very well-known brother of a very famous sister was in a quandary. He has a couple of collections, which he assembled "experts." Then inject into them the money - it is terrible to think how much. Now, when he urgently needed money, it turns out that most of the items in these collections - refuse. They can not sell.

Therefore, the "beautiful birch" and "a wonderful painting" of unknown artists can be hung at his dacha, instead of purchasing in corporate collections.

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artcol


That's it, that some liquid.
And should be just the opposite - SEVERAL illiquid.

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Сообщение от lazycat

Here is a live example: one very well-known brother of a very famous sister was in a quandary. He has a couple of collections, which he assembled "experts." Then inject into them the money - it is terrible to think how much. Now, when he urgently needed money, it turns out that most of the items in these collections - refuse. They can not sell.

That you gave quite a fresh example, but such examples are numerous. Especially a lot of examples arose in late 2008 and early 2009. When people tried to sell at cost just bought in early 2008.

[Pavel]

Сообщение от lazycat

That's it, that the corporate collection - this is, first of all, the object of investment. What a mindless waste of shareholder allow the money? Only a man whose "experts" confuse advice from the series: "You see some birches, some open spaces which the dome !"...

Here is a live example: one very well-known brother of a very famous sister was in a quandary. He has a couple of collections, which he assembled "experts." Then inject into them the money - it is terrible to think how much. Now, when he urgently needed money, it turns out that most of the items in these collections - refuse. They can not sell.

Therefore, the "beautiful birch" and "a wonderful painting" of unknown artists can be hung at his dacha, instead of purchasing in corporate collections.

Birches got to do with? In corporations. kllektsii not buy birch, and "solid painting" from reputable dealers for solid money and it just sontemp. and the avant-known names. So they screwed up. This Shchukin bought for his taste.

[Peter]

lazycat, tell me, what do you do not trash what painting absolutely liquidity? Example can lead to?

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Peter

lazycat, tell me, what do you do not trash what painting absolutely liquidity? Example you give?

Absolutely any liquid painting, dealing in price. Choose a painting that is the way it is difficult, so it is expensive ... Better able to choose or create the opportunity. See how to sell on the major auctions. It is always possible to choose. You're talking about works that are specially framed for sale and has udevlyaetes why not buy a expensive. Fools is not enough.

[artcol]

Сообщение от lazycat

That's it, that some liquid. And should be just the opposite - SEVERAL Illiquid.

Where would it even take - liquid, and normal prices?

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

That you have brought quite a fresh example, but such examples are numerous. Especially a lot of examples arose in late 2008 and early 2009. When people tried to sell at cost just bought in early 2008.

Cyril, and that this surprising? You'd think the dealer is thinking of selling the client? You'd think the dealer is selling a net 100%nogarantirovannuyu profits rather than painting on the wall.

Value growth is possible only in conditions of scarcity of natural or artificial. It is an axiom. This art can not be much. It is also an axiom. Ie deficit - is the natural state of the art market. Its need to maintain (even artificially). But this contradicts the principles of modern market society - making a profit at any cost. And development of society and technology (information, human) deficit has ceased to be a generic feature of art (such as money, and then all of the material). Here are just tried of Marcel Duchamp and other pop artists (about him now, parallel branch goes). It was stated that what artist pronounce art - that they will be. And the market is democratized. Well, etc. In short, all gone mad, and in this situation it is very difficult to stay with a cool head, warm heart and clean hands

Here please, breaking news Gagosian and Dasha Zhukova come to a virtual art market. And after them on the art market come Beavis and Batthet

[lazycat]

Сообщение от artcol

Where would it even take - liquid, and normal prices?

Yes, a lot of things sold well and is very good and at normal prices. I do not mean any Abdurakhmanov or them there, and the first order of the Wanderers, CPX, the art world. And the price difference between auction and Moscow - many times. And to sell something here is being on the west auction - it's crazy svihneshsya. Not every serious dealer will fool with it.

Therefore MASTERPIECES we lack. In the hands of major dealers of things very much. As redeemed and fees. I, for example, the lack of things do not feel.

Another thing is that we have very few companies are willing to invest money in the collection - in debt. " They'd rather buy shares in Sberbank and earn 100%faster. Well, are not prepared to distinguish between "personal coat of the public."

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Peter


100-percent liquid items of the first order.
This is the second half of XIX - early XX centuries., First names and quality stuff.
It has always been, always will be.

[Pavel]

Сообщение от lazycat

Yes, a lot of things sold well and is very good and at normal prices. I do not mean any Abdurakhmanov or them there, and the first order of the Wanderers, CPX, the art world. And the price difference between auction and Moscow - many times. And to sell something here is being on the west auction - it's crazy svihneshsya. Not every serious dealer will fool with it.

Therefore MASTERPIECES we lack. In the hands of major dealers of things very much. As redeemed and fees. I, for example, the lack of things do not feel.

Another thing is that we have very few companies are willing to invest money in the collection - in debt. " They'd rather buy shares in Sberbank and earn 100%faster. Well, are not prepared to distinguish between "personal coat of the public."

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Peter

100-percent liquid items of the first order. This is the second half of XIX - early XX centuries., First names and quality stuff. It has always been, always will be.

And as with falshaka?