What distinguishes the true artist from not present?

[Peter]

Сообщение от Buscador

And yet, for you, it is above all a man who owns a profession (who can just hold circuit, knowing the value of each line in the figure, etc.), and then created his own artistic way, through the emotions, enriched with inner peace, spirituality ... or ... you can lose possession of the profession?

What shall we do with Shishkin, Dunayevsky, Mikhalkov, Jackie Chan .....

Well, I do not see contradictions ... The higher professional skill, the more opportunities for the artist to express his artistic vision, if only he would byl.Eto wide smysle.Etot idea is not necessarily literary narrative, the artist is a composite , plastic, of color, but God knows the end result kakoy.Vazhen-generated imagery, which we did not leave ravnodushnym.Vozmem the same "square" Malevicha.Dur the long run (where is the value of each line, klor and plastic, the tone and color?) And art image turned out! "Otherwise it would not be so worried about so many lyudey.A Katya Medvedev?" Nonsense or artist?-Artist! A Pirosmani?-Artist "Painter is a way of thinking and way of thinking so! Each year, tens hud.uchebnyh institutions produce artists by profession, artists become unity! And with Shishkin, Dunayevsky, Mikhalkov will not do anything, they are also an artist and it is quite dokazali.Naschet Jackie Chan do not know, but in a personal duel ... he probably would have convinced me. <! - ~ 1 ~-->.

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Peter

Well, I do not see contradictions ... The higher professional skill, the more opportunities for the artist to express his artistic vision, if only he would byl.Eto wide smysle.Etot idea is not necessarily literary narrative, for the artist is a composite, plastic, coloristic, but God knows the end result kakoy.Vazhen-generated imagery, which we did not leave ravnodushnym.Vozmem the same "square" Malevicha.Dur the long run (where is the value of each line, and plastic klor , tone and color?) And art image turned out! "Otherwise it would not be so worried about so many lyudey.A Katya Medvedev? Nonsense or artist?-artist! A Pirosmani?-artist! artist is a way of thinking and way of thinking so! Each year, tens of thin . schools produce artists by profession, artists become unity! And with Shishkin, Dunayevsky, Mikhalkov will not do anything, they are also an artist and it is quite dokazali.Naschet Jackie Chan does not know, but in a personal duel doubt ... he convinced me to .<!--~ a ~-->.

What exactly did Medvedev, except that its all they know? You compare it with Pirismani? But Pirosmani artist and it shows in the works, the artist with his glance of. Medvedev is simply a fan, without any merit. If you can prove otherwise, can be illustrated by examples.

[Veronic]

Сообщение от Peter

Take the same "square" Malevicha.Dur the long run (where is the value of each line, klor and plastic, tone and color?) And artistic image turned out! "Otherwise it would not be worried because so many people .

most people worry about the price of this work. But if she was hanging on the street and not in the museum, I assure you, nobody would be interested in it and did not care. Just as few people are worried about painted fence, if you own him about getting soiled.

[Fed]

Сообщение от Pavel

What exactly did Medvedev, except that its all they know? You compare it with Pirismani? But Pirosmani artist and it shows in the works

  Medvedev, a naive artist, they have main-expressiveness. You can not have them in order of size.
The last I brought Cartney Degas. He was, as you can see, too, can be with someone "pushing", but not likely, many give up such a picture at home, even without a signature.
  In the meantime, I know artists honored with merit, and "boring" pictures of the bargain, which simply do not need anyone. That's me to the fact that one of the advantages of the Medvedev-its apparent consumer qualities.
And about the techniques and vision of various artists again everyone else in the controversy and did not return.

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Fed

Medvedev, a naive artist, they have main-expressiveness. You can not have them in order of size.
The last I brought Cartney Degas. He was, as you can see, too, can be with someone "pushing", but not likely, many give up such a picture at home, even without a signature.
  In the meantime, I know artists honored with merit, and "boring" pictures of the bargain, which simply do not need anyone. That's me to the fact that one of the advantages of the Medvedev-its apparent consumer qualities.
And about the techniques and visions of various artists again everything will go to the debate and not return.

But there's just different. So have a look that is taken from the other can still be seen and so void. His then-nothing. A Pirosmani all his, all his own way. Also the Van Gogh-all his own.
Emptiness is the worst thing for an artist.
France has Nyvna style and is very good work.

[Fed]

I agree. I also prefer Ukrainian folk artist Katerina Bilokur (first 3 works), is clearly better hyped A. Russo (4-I-5-I).
   But there is still a very well deserved Maria Prymachenko (6-I-8-I) and the famous Ivan Selivanov (9-I-10-I). And looking at their work, I'm not sure you can convince collectors Medvedeva switch to them.

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от Fed

That's me to the fact that one of the merits of the Medvedev-its obvious to consumers.

Fed, dear, "Consumers 'quality' of luxury items (a painting, not being subject to the essentials, I boldly pichislyayu to them) So, all the" consumer quality "luxury goods, artificially created. On the realization of (changing) the mechanisms to create "potrebitelsih qualities" (as "needs" in the luxury goods) had a lot of already written, rewritten (in "How to unleash the artist, for example) ..

Special thanks to Katerina Belokur (Brilliant, sincere and passionate artist, especially given the cultural and historical background) ... If you know the analogues have been reported. please. (I just do not know of such examples in history ..)

Unlike Katie Medvedeva, which simply "fell into the stream" with their "impressions" ..
"Consumers 'quality' are related to the merchantability, (and not for art).
Therefore, the "gather" (because "pokupabelnosti" exclusively) .. Because of the "investment potentsilala" (mostly ..)
The examples you cited, illustrate the work of very different artists
Primachenko (beautiful talented artist) has worked in a very traditional technique of Ukrainian rural paintings, adding a powerful individual vision
Many more can speculate, but do you really think Cho is a natural correlation between the level (art) and consumption (consumer value)?
What you described as "dignity" - in reality, "severe need of time."

[Fed]

I do not understand what you mean by comparing the level of art and to consumers.
  But of course I believe that consumer quality pictures are important when it is selected, like any commodity. Just take them to be together (without extracting individual) criteria for the goods, which play a decisive role in choosing the right product by the buyer of several alternative products with similar functions. Criteria-functional, economic, anthropological. Function-"hang on the wall and enjoy the work, or envy (what someone close). The economic-stability, growth, liquidity.
 And a very important aspect of anthropology, ecology, beauty, and (not have a negative impact on privacy rights).
  Now, test the pictures, who do you buy, Soutine or Degas (his lead, as mentioned earlier)? And check the list of consumer qualities.
   This cliché qualities can be applied now and in the other. That's why I wrote that Medvedev has a clear consumer quality (especially in its segment).
P.S. And really, any of 2 listed above the level of art.

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от Fed

Now, test the pictures, who do you buy, Soutine or Degas (it led, as mentioned earlier)? And check the list of consumer qualities.

Nobody will buy, because:

1) is not the consumer.

2) the philosophy is different (Although tusuyus investmentskom on-site but it is rather "academic interest") ..

... And in general, live easier!

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Fed

I do not understand what you mean by comparing the level of art and to consumers.
  But of course I believe that consumer quality pictures are important when it is selected, like any commodity. Just take them to be together (without extracting individual) criteria for the goods, which play a decisive role in choosing the right product by the buyer of several alternative products with similar functions. Criteria-functional, economic, anthropological. Function-"hang on the wall and enjoy the work, or envy (what someone close). The economic-stability, growth, liquidity.
 And a very important aspect of anthropology, ecology, beauty, and (not have a negative impact on privacy rights).
  Now, test the pictures, who do you buy, Soutine or Degas (his lead, as mentioned earlier)? And check the list of consumer qualities.
   This cliché qualities can be applied now and in the other. That's why I wrote that Medvedev has a clear consumer quality (especially in its segment).
P.S. And really, any of 2 listed above the level of art.

Above a Soutine and Degas. But these have shtrishochki Degas seems not it?

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Сообщение от Fed

I agree. I also prefer the Ukrainian folk artist Katerina Bilokur (first 3 works), is clearly better hyped A. Russo (4-I-5-I).
   But there is still a very well deserved Maria Prymachenko (6-I-8-I) and the famous Ivan Selivanov (9-I-10-I). And looking at their work, I'm not sure that you can convince collectors Medvedeva switch to them.

As far as Rousseau made and collected. That's what a comparison!