Develop Please doubts - Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

sergejnowo · 12-06-2010, 20:48

Today, one of the auctions in Germany, was sold to the work of Fedor Andreevich Bronnikov (1827-1902).
Oil on canvas, 88 x 113,5 cm
Care, taking into account the commission about 100.000 euros.
The work did not overlap, canvas, frame and frame homes (from a phone call from iskustvovedom auction)
Note the last photo, photograph the back side.
In my eyes, the material well, not as not up to 130 years .

Judge please.

Veronic · 12-06-2010, 21:08

Robot in the whole course, elegant, but it seems to me that the hand is disproportionately small.
A general frame and canvas may well survive if there was no temperature difference

Кирилл Сызранский · 12-06-2010, 21:18

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Originally Posted by Veronic

but it seems to me that the hand is disproportionately small.

What: Left or right hand on his stomach on the child's head?

Veronic · 12-06-2010, 21:20

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Originally Posted by Cyril Syzranskiy

left on his stomach

yes, she said.

sergejnowo · 12-06-2010, 21:25

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Originally Posted by Veronic

yes, it.

hand, too, have ...

Кирилл Сызранский · 12-06-2010, 21:27

Veronic, compare with the hand on this work:

Любознательный · 12-06-2010, 21:30

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Originally Posted by sergejnowo

is not duplication, canvas, frame and frame homes (from a phone call from iskustvovedom auction)

In this photo: frame - not native. At 100%.
Drip from the top of the frame reached its bottom and canvas are not affected.
Photographed frame can own only when one single condition - the abolition of the Newton's second law.

OlegTsi · 12-06-2010, 21:31

I think I see traces of paper, which was sealed around the perimeter of the back of the frame. If so, it protected the back of the picture of the impact of external factors. The dust may not penetrate the front or the back side. Himself a frame (if it is pine) has acquired a natural reddish tint. And all of equal importance is the conservation factor (constant relative humidity and temperature), and the degree of care for the picture. Those who have spent today 100 thousand euros, I think, were able to verify the authenticity of the paintings and, accordingly, its age.
For more conclusive findings would have to watch the stretcher and canvas in hand.

artman · 12-06-2010, 21:33

sergejnowo, now this canvas + -70-80 years, you can compare too good conservation.

Кирилл Сызранский · 12-06-2010, 21:34

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Originally Posted by OlegTsi

I think I see traces of paper, which was sealed around the perimeter of the back of the frame.

Oh! This is meogoe explains.
And even such a "lifting of Newton's Second Law".

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Originally Posted by inquisitive

According to this photo: frame - not my own. At 100%.
Drip from the top of the frame reached its bottom and canvas are not affected.
Photographed frame can own only when one single condition - the abolition of the Newton's second law.

12-06-2010, 20:48	Original language: Russian #1
sergejnowo Гуру Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Гамбург Posts: 3,845 Thanks: 3,565 Thanked 4,959 Times in 1,455 Posts Reputation: 9306	Develop Please doubts Today, one of the auctions in Germany, was sold to the work of Fedor Andreevich Bronnikov (1827-1902). Oil on canvas, 88 x 113,5 cm Care, taking into account the commission about 100.000 euros. The work did not overlap, canvas, frame and frame homes (from a phone call from iskustvovedom auction) Note the last photo, photograph the back side. In my eyes, the material well, not as not up to 130 years . Judge please. Attached Thumbnails

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Кирилл Сызранский Гуру Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: РФ, Самара Posts: 75,437 Thanks: 27,871 Thanked 55,336 Times in 24,288 Posts Blog Entries: 126 Reputation: 102396	Veronic, compare with the hand on this work: Attached Thumbnails

12-06-2010, 21:31	Original language: Russian #8
OlegTsi Guest Posts: n/a	I think I see traces of paper, which was sealed around the perimeter of the back of the frame. If so, it protected the back of the picture of the impact of external factors. The dust may not penetrate the front or the back side. Himself a frame (if it is pine) has acquired a natural reddish tint. And all of equal importance is the conservation factor (constant relative humidity and temperature), and the degree of care for the picture. Those who have spent today 100 thousand euros, I think, were able to verify the authenticity of the paintings and, accordingly, its age. For more conclusive findings would have to watch the stretcher and canvas in hand. Last edited by OlegTsi; 12-06-2010 at 22:00.

12-06-2010, 21:33	Original language: Russian #9
artman Гуру Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,558 Thanks: 923 Thanked 220 Times in 172 Posts Reputation: 412	sergejnowo, now this canvas + -70-80 years, you can compare too good conservation. Attached Thumbnails

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Veronic Гуру Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Украина Мукачево, Венгрия Хевиз Posts: 2,165 Thanks: 1,793 Thanked 1,718 Times in 574 Posts Blog Entries: 4 Reputation: 2879	Robot in the whole course, elegant, but it seems to me that the hand is disproportionately small. A general frame and canvas may well survive if there was no temperature difference