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[NATA NOVA]

Lover Art Game Turns,
(Collective at that)
 "Understanding" we tempt
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[Маруся]

I think that to his understanding of art Each comes in its own way, because we're all very different. Some people think that he took the "idea", someone is sure that the perceived "feeling". This is an eternal opposition of "physicists and lyricists." But among those and others are subtle connoisseurs - each in its own way.
But - "understand" art, in my opinion - is comparable to understand the phenomena of nature, understand the "force majeure". Once people understand the nature of art, he will treat him like a light bulb ...
And this is not wanted! There must be a mystery, even to something in our lives ... And the opportunity to perceive the mystery of his own, not as in physics textbooks written.

[Art-lover]

Сообщение от Jasmin

If I understood correctly Art-lover, you can compare the "misunderstanding" Art of "immersion" in the Kabbalah.

Immersion in art and Kabbalah - yet so diverse musical processes that they are not compatible. In this respect it is interesting to hear the views of the young man in a hat, dancing to the pictures, kindly provided by the LCR in a report to recent exhibition of Russian artists in Paris:

Сообщение от LCR

Fan Kremerman and William Brui dancing tango on the background of sculptures by Igor Shelkovsky

If anyone knows Bruj comes from Peter, and he was the first artist officially relocated from Russia to Israel (at 1970m). So, in interview with Nezavisimaya Gazeta (2005), he recalls:
"For two years I had a special Kabbalistic regime in the studio in the House of political prisoners, twice a week, I was starving in the strictest austerity and saw the devil knows what, no drugs do not!" These few years also contributed greatly to my work, there was a tendency to go for the devil in the mirror. ... I did not want to ever leave Russia, wanted to go to Jerusalem ... to go to holy places. I wanted to become skilled in Israel in the finer points of religious practice, but touch Kabbalah and jumped back, because I understand that: if I'll do it - then good-bye, pictures, good-bye, people." (bold mine. AL)

If we consider that in this case, an interest in Kabbalah is not superficial, but it can be said genetic ( "I grew up in a Jewish family from the mother has the rabbis still observe certain commandments, but it is important that I was Jewish teachings, Jewish mysticism are still important sources of creativity and an occasion for reflection. "), then this personal experience deserves special attention.

It is interesting to relate this experience to how the artist (in another interview) describes the basis of his creative method:
"If the right to look at my image abstraction turns out that they have both plane and volume. After all in my head initially with a nail stuck teaching Malevich, which stated that any plane, a blank sheet of paper - is the product of already the world. They themselves and the material and shape. You manage it as a musician notes, creating an infinite variety of the most incredible effects. These my previous guesses were confirmed later when I began to read books sages of antiquity, to study the works of gnosticism, kaballizmu, Tantrism. They teach one thing: for self-knowledge a person needs to break out beyond the self. "And when that happens, the world is changing - and you are in appearance suddenly begin to distinguish the essence. And you understand that your every movement air, little lump of dirt - everything emits light! And like the glow, the achievement of harmony by contrast - the fruit of intuition, plus a spiritual experience - a kind of shamanism, to which we need to indulge in constantly. If I'm off for a while, come out of this state, then everyone has to start from scratch . "

So, in the works in this case is essential impersonal, "Shaman" moment: a picture is created in the act of "misunderstanding".
Thus, the "misunderstanding" by the artist Kabbalah is a necessary condition for the exercise of its activities "misunderstanding" of art.

Gentlemen, I would like to respond immediately to all, but do not have time: try "in a queue.

[Marta]

You can queue up "and clarify what you mean by ignorance?
In fact, in most works of art is very much clear - composition, technique, storage personality of the artist that he chuvstvovoval and wanted to say /convey the "spirit of time" i.t.p. Maybe not until the end or in their own way, the magic begins in the whole perception ....

[Jasmin]

Сообщение от Art-lover

immersion in art and Kabbalah - yet so diverse musical processes that they are not compatible

Art-lover, you understand my comparison too literally. I do not what does not "practice" Kabbalah, and even close it does not stand, and do not intend to come for 1000 light years, because it is not my element, and also know (for example, other), it is not safe.
Yes, the processes of diverse musical, that's right, even opposed to one another (do not know how to explain), not without reason, as in the study kabbalistiki succeed and it is deeply comprehend the people who are well versed in the exact sciences: physics, mathematics, engineers, chemists (the overwhelming Most candidates and doctors of the above sciences). Browse arts: musicians, artists, actors, etc., remain at the level where the "stuck" you refer William Brui, and rightly so, that he gave up, because the roof can go specifically. Just "brains" other, ie different mentality, something I, quite different perceptions. Just as good as another "type" of people ...

Just wanted to compare with something so that, for me quite well, I do not understand why sravnila with Kabbalah. Besides Kabbalah as infinite, boundless and not fully knowable, as Art.

The rest agreed.

[Игорь Гурьев]

Сообщение от Art-lover

A work of art - a thing in itself, and if anyone thinks that he understands what a work of art, it is simply not aware of their misunderstanding.

Why?

One can understand well, tomorrow anyway.

You, apparently under the understanding does not understand what is it is.

Understanding is always individual, and certainly incomplete.

The process of understanding - a dialogue not only with the product, but also with ourselves, others, who perceives it.

It is therefore important figure of the critic, especially a good critic.

[Jasmin]

Сообщение от Art-lover

The thing in itself - it is such a nut, which if strongly hammer then breaks down the hammer.

In my view, is the answer to many questions about art.

[Peter]

Сообщение от Marta

You can queue "and clarify what you mean by ignorance?
In fact, in most works of art is very much clear - ... warehouse personality of the artist that he chuvstvovoval and wanted to say /convey,

I think that this is just the least understandable storona.Chelovek something in his personality often can not tell ... surviving work of art we are just from himself, from his experience, gives us associations of his temperament and mirovozreniya.Imenno individual perception is an accomplice of works of art, that's when it becomes integral to the end, finding the words polnotu.Drugimi painting or musical composition created by the author (artist, composer, poet ) is only half iskusstva.Tselnym it is only in the presence of a conscious consumer of the art, that is you and me.

[SAH]

Сообщение от Peter

Man, even in his personality often can not tell ...

This is key.

Сообщение от Peter

it becomes solid, only in the presence of a conscious consumer of the arts, that is you and me.

I think not. I agree with AL

Сообщение от Art-lover

A work of art - a thing in itself

I think that this is our problem with you we are conscious consumers or not, sechem so to speak glade or ....<!- - ~ 1 ~ - "A work of art self-sufficient.

[Jasmin]

Сообщение от Art-lover

In the State of enlightened not a number, a union am not a guru.

You - out-of-staff ...
And the trade unions - you know, it ...