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[Игорь Гурьев]

Сообщение от NEO

Igor Guriev, Gustavsberg?

There's nothing more I can say.

Man had already left.

In addition, he said that glaze painting is not there, and it is probably not a stencil.

[Agatha Gregson]

The owner of this sweet Sarnitsa already time to start betting!
And I would put it on the fact that this English vintage, 50's and closer to us. If you do not take into account the analysis of brands and drip glaze.
First, these roses. Only fanatics, gardeners British portrayed their chinese roses at all what one can! Starting from the pictures, wallpaper, and ending with chamber pots. Here I have a tub with a similar decor from Spode. Secondly, the form Sarnitsa seems typical of England. Here at rubylane there is even a Victorian doll posudka, by the way, too, with roses (photo at right). Look, there are similar models, of different periods. In the search bar type any words: cheese tray /cover /box /dish.
And thirdly, the antiquity of it on me, too, not a breath. At other times, decor would have been quite different.
But in general she is very cute! Be sure to tell us what it will eventually.

[U_Z]

Сообщение от inquisitive

If the case had nothing to say, then, excuse me, what sets?

In the case of: 20 century. Rhythmic values are not represented. Tip: go to Moscow, St. Petersburg, in a decent antique salon. Your approval of the 18 century are not consistent.

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Сообщение от Guriev, Igor

Cost can be as much more than 2 thousand ve.

Igor Guriev, of which 2000 ve you say ???. Price - U.S. $ 100-150 - the edge and then on lover

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Сообщение от Agatha Gregson

I would put it on the fact that it is English vintage, 50's and closer to us.

Heat ! "Nearly so agree.

[Игорь Гурьев]

Сообщение от U_Z

Igor Guriev, of which 2000 ve you say ???. Price - U.S. $ 100-150 - the edge and then on lover

Oh, it's not me.
It said one expert on porcelain.

And for me - so your price is even too big.

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Agatha Gregson,
Do not tell my the address where you found the right image?
Advance grateful.

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U Z Guriev and Igor.
Guys, I like your approach, and even more - the formation of prices.
I propose to make money.
Since you are in china not Copenhagen, then explain the problem.
Find the complete product with 100%safety and with such technological complexity. Crock - a cross between opaque glass and porcelain, but the color of warm milk. The presence (absence) of the painting does not matter. Required hallmarks you know - hallmarks Chelsea (Chelsea) 1745-1748 years. Products with the stamp of the company toilets GUSTAVSBERG - not offer.
For each such item I cry cache 300 bucks.
When the party more than 5 - to pay for, your travel to Moscow in compartment carriage express train, more than 10 - pay the same return trip.
Agree, to make money better than the flood on the forum.
Decision - for each of you.

[Agatha Gregson]

Dear Curious,
Here is the link to it is:
http://www.rubylane.com/shops/foxandhounds/item/ax20351
And by the way, I'm sorry, I only looked at what was written in the description of this doll things: it is made in Bohemia in 1904. Why the seller called it a Victorian? But I do not think that to your oiler that has a direct relationship.
I brought her as an example to his conclusions because for dinnerware (in theory) should be used only very typical thing in life, it's psychology. Consequently, this form of everyday things, like you should be very familiar in his time.
This is one of the pages from the general list greasers on sale:
http://search.rubylane.com/search/, ...d%20cover.html
I am the way, in his message, tried to send you to this source: www.rubylane.com. This is something like trading platforms for online antique dealers from all over the world. One source for finding analogues.
I express my solidarity as a beginner - I too encountered the arrogance and dogmatism of experts on this forum. But every time - needed (to me) thread still was. Do not give up! .. While not themselves see.

[U_Z]

Сообщение от inquisitive

UZ Guriev and Igor.
Guys, I like your approach, and even more - pricing.

Dear Curious, carefully read the message number 23.

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Сообщение от inquisitive

propose to make money.
Since you are in china not Copenhagen, then explain the problem.
Find the complete product with 100%safety and with such technological complexity. Crock - a cross between opaque glass and porcelain, but the color of warm milk. The presence (absence) of the painting does not matter. Required hallmarks you know - hallmarks Chelsea (Chelsea) 1745-1748 years. Products with the stamp of the company toilets GUSTAVSBERG - not offer.
For each such item I cry cache 300 bucks.
When the party more than 5 - to pay for, your travel to Moscow in compartment carriage express train, more than 10 - pay the same return trip.

Dear Curious, visit a museum, take a look porcelain 18 century. Be finally curiosity.

These proposals address, please someone else, I do not have .

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Сообщение от Agatha Gregson

I too encountered the arrogance and dogmatism of experts on this forum

I thought that I was extremely polite in the estimates of the subject. Just surprised blind confidence holder "masterpiece" in the right!

[Игорь Гурьев]

Сообщение от curious

Igor Guriev.
Guys, I like your approach, and even more - pricing.

I have no such "approach" no.
I expressed my impressions, and then added them to the opinion of one expert on porcelain.
But then again expressed his opinion.

So what kind of stereoscopy of my messages may occur.

[NEO]

curious, do not misunderstand, just wanted to understand. Ask a friend to see the conclusion - the beginning of the 20 th +-... years.
What came to mind, but can not this be two parts of different objects? Old tray, cover later.
Please note, in my opinion, the lower figure, canvas cover does not fit in any way with the performance on a tray. Or am I wrong? In the present Agata things are harmonious, the eye does not hurt.

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Since no objections were received intelligible (sound arguments) on the provided me Sarnitsa, the rationale for their position, I have to preface a brief overview of the problems of creating a European porcelain. This review in no way an attempt to presenting the history of porcelain, and represents only an engineering look at the resolution of technical and technological problems in creating porcelain. And, without the use of special technical terms and chemical formulas, which, in my opinion, this should increase the accessibility of understanding of the problems existing prior to and during the creation of European porcelain.

It is well known that porcelain was first produced in Europe from China, Vasco da Gamma, this event drew down all European markets tableware (china, tin, silver and gold), and also led to a real revolution in the development of European industry.
Technical and technological backwardness of European industry is not allowed to organize their own porcelain production in the shortest possible time, which went on for a long time on two fronts - industrial espionage and involvement yesterday alchemists and specialists faience production.
As a result of violation of secrecy of the confessional has been created so-called French polufarfor, as a result of the decoding technology and the composition of the mass (raw materials and additives) - Germany's and the rest.

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Unmet demand for porcelain and profitability of its production (at high prices in Chinese and Japanese) have led to the widespread emergence of porcelain manufactories. Moreover, under the patronage of the powerful (as we know them!). Louis XV banned (under pain of a fine of 6,000 livres) use gold or silver utensils, which started to produce coins. This measure has encouraged demand for its products Sevres, but left no descendants of French jewelry designs. Charlemagne, but paid for the patent, demanded that the Jews purchase Meissen ware in a round sum. All - in the name of marketing, ie to develop their own porcelain production.
However, European porcelain in quality significantly inferior to Chinese and Japanese, because he was not quite porcelain in the literal sense of the term. This porcelain is obtained by the full weight of sintering at a temperature of 1 350 - 1 380 degrees, which allows to obtain a white, thin, clear, transparent and strong enough crock.
His variation of mass Europeans fired in kilns, allowing temperatures to reach only 950 degrees, which do not allow to bake a lot and get a solid crock. This imperfection of the European masses forced to make additional (preliminary) firing, which excluded the painting from damp. China is (Japanese) mass froze in the sun for several hours. Shrinkage of European porcelain exceed 17%(in Chinese), making it difficult molding. This two-sided embossing products, Europeans substituted unilateral (overlaid on the outside), which led to yet another roasting and additional loads. When firing the European product weight lose shape or burst, unable to withstand the internal stresses. For complex products marriage reached 70-90%. The shortcomings have arisen boundary layer lead to cracking during firing blank enamel and enamel painting. When the firing temperature (due to upgrading furnaces, but in the absence of instruments to measure temperature), enamel, intended for earthenware, flowed. We had to create and other termoemali.
Paintings of European porcelain at the initial stage was a copy of Chinese designs - flowers and unseen birds.

The newly Manufactory at Sèvres (1745), originated and Manufacture in Chelsea, where for more than a transparent crock of mass added to the finished glass, and to improve the ductility (to improve the quality of molding and more subtle crock) burning bone. From this crock was the color of boiled milk, and the polufarfor Manufactory Chelsea got the name "bone china".
Technological advances Manufactory Chelsea, in my opinion, was getting bearable mass to produce sufficiently thin (about 3 mm) and transparent products, as well as obtaining the enamel colors of dark red roses, sparkling on a substrate of hollow tin of white enamel. This color was like a business card of Chelsea.
Such enamel later produced in Russia (window Enamel Khlebnikov).

Quoted figures marks Manufactory Chelsea (from its inception until its acquisition by manufacture Derby) contain enough contingent (in my opinion) the periods of their application. Photo stamps themselves, I could not find online or in literature available to me. I believe that the forum users to fill in this gap.