Prices for contemporary art

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Here's another example.
This thing was Kustodieva proodana in the year to Macdougall Arts Ltd. for GBP 400,000(EUR 465,280 - USD 653,880 - GBP 400,000 Hammer price).

And for 10 years before that in 1999 the same thing was bought at Sotheby's for GBP 9,000(EUR 14,041 - USD 14,609 - GBP 9,000 Hammer price).

I'm counting the%%is not strong, who wants to, he will count with different funds-deposits compare and decide that it is more profitable.

[Черномашенцев Владимир]

This is only the exception that proves the general rule. As I wrote, but art dealers will be foaming at the mouth to prove the profitability of investments in art.
But against mathematics (statistics) do not go. Average yield of Russian art was from 2002 to 2008 150%(index ARTIMX-RUS), while the average return on the stock market (RTS) over the same period was 900%.
That count.
I am sure that more buy cheap Russian artists, as it could in the troubled froth of 90's, no longer happens. And such a super-nice example is no more. Methods of making the apparent profitability of different markets (whether stock markets or the art market) is approximately the same. Choose the choicest examples. Choosing a posteriori. Forgotten the example of failing, which is much larger. Silent about the average yield.

[artcol]

Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

I think, that we must earn in other places other than the art market: more profitable, easier, safer. And the images have to buy just for fun.

I, like many feel the same way, but that did not stop me and earn it.

Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

група The only people who can definitely make good money at investment myths about art - it auctions, galleries and art dealers.

On this occasion it was an active discussion with Alexander Grigoriev, and this theme has been disclosed in full. And in fact you are right, yes.

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от artcol

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Група only people who can definitely make good money at investment myths about art - it auctions, galleries and art dealers.

On this occasion it was an active discussion with Alexander Grigoriev, and this theme has been disclosed in full. And in fact you are right, yes.
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Then perhaps it makes sense to think about balee wide availability of the artist's works without intermediaries?

[artcol]

Сообщение от NATA NOVA

Then, perhaps it makes sense to think about balee wide availability of the artist's works without intermediaries?

This too was discussed and solved completely

[Черномашенцев Владимир]

Сообщение от NATA NOVA

Then, perhaps it makes sense to consider the wider availability of the artist's works without intermediaries?

   NATA, I always think! I sleep and think! With those artists who interest me, I try to get acquainted directly. In addition to lower prices, direct contact allows me to choose better pictures from a wider range. So many artists do not convey the picture in large quantities and better quality in picture. Sorry. Sometimes at the exhibition are afraid to give, as part of the picture damage during transport, storage, display. In some cases, very interesting to talk with the artist. Example: the new year, I again visited the studio of People's Artist of Russia, corresponding member of Academy of Arts Vladimir Elchaninova. If the galleries are his modern works the maximum size of 60-80 cm, directly I was able to buy a sheet size of 150-160 cm, made in the austere style back in the 70's. I purchase content. Gallery owner, who once introduced us also not hurt.
   But there are such artists, from which it is better to stay away and easier to work through an intermediary. Comes to such an artist, but he's looking at you as a tycoon and current Moneybags. You explain that the proposed rates exceed the retail gallery, and even more so the selling price. No contact!

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Сообщение от artcol

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   Constant repetition - the usual thing for all forums. You must excuse me! Someone is always here and read everything. And those who come regularly, may again start to pour into a sieve. We are a NATOY interesting.
    How do I see different messages from Nata, she thinks other than "hilling" galleries including about exhibitions and sales without intermediaries. Probably for good reason, do not satisfy the gallery? NATA - the artist is quite interesting, albeit fragile. But my favorite gallery so far not found.

PS

link does not give?

[artcol]

Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

link will not let?

http://forum.artinvestment.ru/search...archid=2464921

[NATA NOVA]

Chernomashentsev Vladimir, I just the last few years, the artist, so about the "stability" does not understand .. to say the truth, I'm still on my feet and do not deserve, so as soon as they were released from all obligations and Just grab (of hunger) for everything .. (interestingly the same) .. How can stability? (And what is that, by the way?)
I'm an artist in the first place, the "first generation", while the second was a long time completely out of the artistic life of ... (And anyway, the world around zaitneresovalas couple of years ago)
(And about "messing around with art galleries, too, not quite-cho, this could mean?)

Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

sorry. Sometimes at the exhibition are afraid to give, as part of the picture damage during transport, storage, display

 It's true. (Even I do. My caution came across). If possible, obyazatelno insures reliable offices .. (Sorry because, not only labor but also a piece of soul)
And sending too cautious.
I have sent to Russia on March 20 and March 30, two packets and so far none has come .. (What could it mean?) Throughout the world, promises to come, but the problem with Russia. In the past year, the magazine sent to St. Petersburg, have not received ...

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Сообщение от artcol

http://forum.artinvestment.ru/search...archid=2464921

What do you give a link, my dear? (Or is this a joke?)
Well, not funny!

[artcol]

Сообщение от NATA NOVA

I have sent to Russia on March 20 and March 30, two packets and so far none has come .. (What could it mean?) Throughout the world, promises to come, but the problem with Russia. In the past year, the magazine sent to St. Petersburg, did not get ...

Stupor ros.tamozhni due to the introduction of a single tam.prostranstva. I'm sending over a week at customs dangled. Deliver, do not worry.

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от artcol

I'm sending over a week at customs dangled. Deliver, do not worry.

What customs do excist parcels? It was from Jasmin from Israel came quickly ...