Art totalitarian

[SergeiSK]

Сообщение от LCR

You know, I recently accidentally discovered, even Dejneka its served.

You know - and I too. So it is quite sotsrealny product of its time
Speaking of Deineko and socialist realism. As you are his "Defense of Sevastopol" and "Knocked down ace? Reminiscent of the realism of the 3rd Reich. But I like ....

[LCR]

Сообщение от SergeiSK

You know - and I too. So it is quite sotsrealny product of its time
Speaking of Deineko and socialist realism. As you are his "Defense of Sevastopol" and "Knocked down ace? Reminiscent of the realism of the 3rd Reich. But I like it ....

"Defense of Sevastopol" and "downed Al" - not my most favorite of his paintings, but Dejneka - a remarkable artist, who would argue?
Yes, it reminds realism 3rd Reich, to the extent to which this realism characteristic features inherent in the fine arts 30-ies.

Сообщение от Eugene

Dear Liana in this comment I just repeated your insulting words towards the Russian artists of the Jack of Diamonds, of course, I do not think so, and creative non-conformists like and I love (regardless of what you write Commenting on the classic Russian paintings.).
And the evening podredaktiruyu this comment ..

I do not like the Jack of Diamonds, but frankly, my hurtful words were not directed against members of the group, but against their epigones, adepts of the so-called "Russian sezannizma" - a terrible thing, this Russian sezannizm

[SergeiSK]

Сообщение от LCR

Yes, this looks like the realism of the 3rd Reich, to the extent to which this realism characteristic features inherent in the fine arts 30-ies.

There is! That's our Socialist Realism also has the features characteristic of the art of that time! And art is not in the individual countries, and in the world, as the trend of that era. And this trend continued until the end of 1960. So the most rabid Socialist Realism to the period 1930-60 GG And I stress - as the direction of world art. Only in the West it is called differently, but the term "socialist realism" is ours, homegrown. In the West, this trend ended with the advent of Andy Warhol, as we have with the advent of Gorbachev ... Logically, Russia can not understand ..

[fross]

I could not assume that my message will provoke a violent political and historical debate.
I then wrote about the fragility of art, and the fact that his fate could be quite different. Totalitarian art strong hands only cripple. If all the sprouts of the avant-garde not sostrigli under the lawn, we would not now discuss two directions for 80 years. And who knows, maybe in the top list of all the museums, galleries and auction would be our countrymen. And they would never have had to seek refuge in exile. The past is not correct, but even if only the future will be different.

[sss]

Shall make a reservation that I am omnivorous, not divide artists to socialist realists, nonconformists, landscape and marine painters, dark and cheerful, and I divide them in the art and artists. Can not afford to admire and chairman of the kolkhoz ", if it catches, not to mention landscapes and still lifes ...

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SergeiSK: This debate will never end. It is not art, but in the ideology of each party to the dispute. Who's lives spiritually, he even loves ...
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Just still in the art. What ideology is "Lilac" Konchalovsky?
With regards to contemporary fashion trends, so no one argues that all unqualified masterpieces. Rubbish - more than enough art festival - generally solid profonatsiya. Yes, and nonconformists are all different.
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SergeiSK: Still Socialist Realism as an independent direction, there is not a momentary fashion, but in a separate slice of world culture
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Yes, as an independent direction exists. You can love, admire and admire the skill, but argued that this slice of world culture - an attempt to jump above their heads. This is a historical, political, whatever the cut, affecting the culture of one country, and to world cultural processes, he has nothing to do. Otherwise, Chinese consumer goods - also cut global culture (caught good quality products).

Why, trying to shove Socialist Realism in world culture, it surely must be compared with non-conformism? Let us then you have a grown-up - with Van Gogh, Schiele, Modigliani ...
I'm afraid, only one Morandi, speaking of the contribution to world culture, will outweigh all the popular and highly respected together.

Nonconformists are interesting not because they fought with socialist realism, but because, being excluded from official culture and fenced off from the modern world of artistic processes that gave rise to being in this confined space, something new and most valuable personality.
Krasnopevtsev said one thing, Roginsky - another, Yakovlev - the third ... A socialist realists, all taken together and individually, they said the same thing, claiming to be different.
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SergeiSK: but agree, even by academics, social realism technique is much higher than any nonconformists. So painting class above! Compare the "Lilac" Konchalovsky and any nonconformists. And tell me one you like more? Be honest ...
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Honestly? Then say the words Norstein Yu: "The ability to draw - not the fact of art."

[Glasha]

Сообщение от sss

shall make a reservation that I am omnivorous, not divide artists to socialist realists, nonconformists, landscape and marine painters, dark and cheerful, and I divide them in the art and artists. Can not afford to admire and chairman of the kolkhoz ", if it catches, not to mention landscapes and still lifes ...

There is! Found the golden words! sss Thank you!
Here I am in a notice that guzzler, but this is because life position is this: tolerance, openness to the arts, freedom of perception (of the classifications, opinions, prices ..- it all again)
Can such an attitude on the art market would be more adequate?

I'm reading now and do not quite understand what the dispute, exactly?
And much who where will be (in the "slice of world culture"), and that will be poche m,
so that's for sure
"We can not predict ..."

[artcol]

Сообщение от Gala

Here! Found the golden words! sss Thank you!
Here I am in a notice that guzzler, but this is because life position is this: tolerance, openness to the arts, freedom of perception (of the classifications, opinions, prices ..- it all again)
Can such an attitude on the art market would be more adequate?

I'm reading now and do not quite understand what the dispute itself?

Sergei like klass.russkaya like painting, as he calls it socialist realism, and reinforces their tastes (quite normal - I agree, many such like) a reference to the title and all other attributes of well-deserved, given to th first of all in achieving goals and objectives Party (different in different years). And it should be all spread out - and disputes will be no tastes.

[Tana]

Oh, could not stand it, touched ....

1. Eugene I think in relation to the artists' Jack of Diamonds "You're wrong.
From his own observations:
When in London earlier this year, the exhibition "From Russia with Love", a few weeks had to book tickets, people-flow, among them Russian-unit flows British, but the exhibition was a room with the French Impressionists, but ... . do not push, we had to wait to get a better and closer to see (I quote LCR) "these monstrous still lifes with bold, widely ramified, vulgar Soviet-bubnovovaletovskoy lilacs пейзажики written by people, as if not unaware of what was happening in the world of art since the mid XIX century. "
I personally saw how enthusiastic about the British looked at the pictures Larinonova, Falk, Udaltsova, Goncharova, Mashkov, Bakst, and before the works of Malevich, sighing "is simply divine! As vividly discussed what was delighted to come to the exhibition several times and sorry that the exhibition is so long.

2. SergeiSK but agree, even by academics, social realism technique is much higher than any nonconformists. So class painting above!
Just not often heard phrase in the British Galleries, which is among the Soviet artists is very high level of painting and of modern Russian artists, "Yes, this is not something that's your Soviet education was much better."

[fross]

Сообщение от Tana

I personally saw how enthusiastic about the British looking at pictures Larinonova, Falk, Udaltsova, Goncharova, Mashkova, Bakst, and before the works of Malevich, sighing "is simply divine! As vividly discussed what was delighted to come to the exhibition a few times and regretted that the exhibition is so long.
Just not often heard phrase in the British Galleries, which is among the Soviet artists is very high level of painting and of modern Russian artists, "Yes, this is not something that's your Soviet education was much better".

And who among these was the Soviet education? Can you forget someone? Who is this remarkable exhibition presents Socialist Realism?

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Tana

I personally saw how enthusiastic about the British looking at pictures Larinonova, Falk, Udaltsova, Goncharova, Mashkova, Bakst, and before the works of Malevich, sighing "is simply divine!!,

This is a list of what you have? This is the socialist realism that it?
Larionov, Goncharova, with all of the Council of Deputies of the day did not live with 915-first lived in France, and Falk in the 38-m back, and in 58-m already dead.
About Bakst not to mention ...