Prospect of a new online gallery or auction

[Fed]

Сообщение от Aquarius

If you start from an average cost of $ 2,000 paintings - is selling about 500 films a year, or about 40 per month.

You yourself said, why do you need these pictures.

[Artoil-A]

Сообщение от Aquarius

In the west, there is already a lot of projects where you can buy art online (eg ArtMazher, Arts), and we have a decent sites (ArtNau).

I would like to understand - how they cover the needs of the artistic fraternity on the one hand, and the buyers of collectors, investors on the other?

And if you put the question in a more practical level - what is the chance to take off in a new independent (not having offline gallery behind) website for the sale of paintings by different authors?

To my mind, all these sites are many disadvantages in terms of the modern buyer (design, usability, presentation of information, the lack of basic pieces like easy search and so on).

I researched a number of online galleries over the past few years. My opinion is that it is too early to talk about raskruchennosti domestic Internet sites.
     I checked several online sites to the possibility of legal work with them. Stress - legal. That is the whole workflow with these galleries is included in the tax returns.
     First, the most important feature of legal and gallery is its registration in the Unified State Register.
     Second, a clear relation to the system of taxation of payments and
 standard forms of documents accompanying the treaty.
Third, the presence or absence of storage and exhibition hall for paintings.
Accordingly, it requires a special way of presenting art in a room on the Internet in small format and in detail, of special presentation of paintings consignment contract, as required by the Treaty, governing royalties for replicating images of paintings.
    These symptoms svidetelstvuyuto to legally online - gallery (but not guaranteed).
    Fourth, the lack of perception of the group manipulation. So in some sites of existing internet trolls that are blocking any interest in the legality and galleries. And, for some reason, the owners of these sites, while sympathetic to the trolling.

[тандем]

Сообщение от Aquarius; 2486301"

did not happen in New York or in Munich, however, use the product every day American /European companies and startups , listen to Western music , watch mostly Western films, the situation in a hurry possess in Ikeja and so on .

About movies and music - ochchen convincingly >
Maybe it's time for us, who do not believe in all this crap about " impressive achievements of those who began to batter the same topic 15 years ago ..." switch from the movie "charge" to " Die Hard " .... And then covered with moss .... > do not notice the rapid passage of the homeland that they trampled the Americans for centuries >

Сообщение от Aquarius; 2486301"

According to the familiar art , here in the Urals in recent years, interest in art has grown significantly .

Do not be surprised if this critic believes painting Chinese consumer goods produced on an inkjet printer.

[Aquarius]

Сообщение от tandem

Maybe it's time for us, who do not believe in all this crap about " impressive achievements of those who began to batter the same topic 15 years ago ..."

Business - it is not a space of faith. I talked about examples from the inner circle , where people over 10 years turns out to at least $ 1 million

Сообщение от tandem

Do not be surprised if this critic believes painting Chinese consumer goods produced on an inkjet printer .

I'll ask him what he thinks of your strange preferences >

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Сообщение от Artoil-A

I have investigated a number of online galleries over the past few years. My opinion is that it is too early to talk about raskruchennosti domestic Internet sites.

Not very clear market potential at all, but simply comparing what is already there in the West and in Russia, with the available facilities in other areas of life (new dating, tickets, rent hotels), it is felt that the potential of online galleries, even in its best samples sold at best 20-30 percent.

Сообщение от Artoil-A

     I checked several online sites to the possibility of legal work with them. Stress - legal. That is the whole workflow with these galleries is included in the tax returns.
     First, the most important feature of legal and gallery is its registration in the Unified State Register.
     Second, a clear relation to the system of taxation of payments and
 standard forms of documents accompanying the treaty.
Third, the presence or absence of storage and exhibition hall for paintings.
Accordingly, it requires a special way of presenting art in a room on the Internet in small format and in detail, of special presentation of paintings consignment contract, as required by the Treaty, governing royalties for replicating images of paintings.
    These symptoms svidetelstvuyuto to legally online - gallery (but not guaranteed).
    Fourth, the lack of perception of the group manipulation. So in some sites of existing internet trolls that are blocking any interest in the legality and galleries. And, for some reason, the owners of these sites, while sympathetic to the trolling.

You are very sensitive to the lawyer's time ... IMHO, if this business will be good money, all the legal issues will be resolved quickly and competently leading players.

The remaining points are very true noticed - paintings require special presentation on the Internet (large format photo, preferably shots back of the canvas texture makrosemka oil and canvas from a distance of ten cm, etc.) - this has no one, and it discourages buyers. Take meter canvas on screenshots from the experience, it's not very serious.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Aquarius; 2486301"

According to the familiar art , here in the Urals in recent years, interest in art has grown significantly.

Ural large.
Whether grown an interest in art , and if so, how "much", in Schadrinske , for example, or in Miass ? A Revda in Serowe ?
Of Nizhny Tagil and Kachkanar not ask - it is clear that there is simply booming interest in the arts.

[artcol]

Many collectors in the Urals Federal , well, level. However sharitsya for online galleries - not their style >

I sell online already bolshii 10 years.
Currently, I closed the site to view from Russia.
Offshore ( pure virtual ) model does not work in Russia .
However, the Web as a channel of communication - it's really cool .
All Moscow galleries have a website, and it is convenient.
I personally visited site about 5-6 galleries, plus some sites aggregators .
I think it has already entered into use many collectors and dealers.

So everything goes in this direction, but a lot of " but" ... >

[Vladimir]

Сообщение от Aquarius; 2486351"

Although more honest here look at margins , at 30 %commission on sales - it turns out it is necessary to go to the sales in the 150 paintings /prints per month. Or rise in the more expensive segment exclusive .

If this is outrageous numbers , then , alas - our art market is really in the infancy ...

150 pictures per month does not sell any regularly scheduled auctions auction house in Russia. Galleries is also a very heavy record. So , sorry.

[Artoil-A]

Сообщение от Aquarius

You are very sensitive to the lawyer's time ... IMHO, if this business will be good money, all the legal issues will be resolved quickly and competently leading players.

The remaining points are very true noticed - paintings require special presentation on the Internet ( large format photo , preferably shots back of the canvas texture makrosemka oil and canvas from a distance of ten cm, etc. ) - this has no one , and it discourages buyers. Take meter canvas on screenshots from the experience , it's not very serious .

Just in time to work with galleries , I met with various forms of fraud.
The most common practice : working with the exposure is to produce pictures , posters, a copy of my original ordered another copyist , and in a file for a foreign middleman gives detailed information about my work. Gallery owner expects cheat prices , and the work is beyond the reach of the exposure to the domestic buyer location.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Vladimir; 2486731"

150 pictures per month does not sell any regularly scheduled auctions auction house in Russia. Galleries is also a very heavy record.

In the discussed segment of modern ( relatively modern , the second half of the twentieth century, and are closer to us ) painting , it is the need to focus and auktsiny .
And all of them to Mother Russia is now two - Shishkin and shovels.
So let " people from IT " counts the number of trades in these homes over the past year , multiplied by the average number of lots in the auction and will take into account %of sales - let it be 50%even .

Here are the numbers and show the demand is painting the whole of Russia and is not necessary for Ikeyam even walk. >

[Aquarius]

Сообщение от Vladimir

150 pictures per month does not sell any regularly scheduled auctions auction house in Russia. Galleries is also a very heavy record. So , sorry .

Book stores across the country now also feel bad bent. And yet on Amazon sales grow and grow >

And there is another interesting example - business model Groupon ( and Bigliona and other imitators ). Speed ​​Bigliona on discounts in Russia - billions of rubles. None of the restaurants /car wash /spa , generating a stream of proposals for him, does not earn a hundredth part of its turnover.

Examples of seemingly not relate to the topic under discussion , but IMHO, convey the idea that we should not judge the prospects of an online gallery , the Amazon, the experience of the local offline galleries, for example.

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Сообщение от Artoil-A

Just while working with galleries , I met with various forms of fraud.
The most common practice : working with the exposure is to produce pictures , posters, a copy of my original ordered another copyist , and in a file for a foreign middleman gives detailed information about my work. Gallery owner expects cheat prices , and the work is beyond the reach of the exposure to the domestic buyer location .

On the Internet , especially in our time - it is very difficult to cheat in secret. Any similar case pops up somewhere on Facebook, catching up to the light weighty names , and all the name of the gallery is compromised for the ages and all the efforts on the promotion of the brand go down the drain ...

Again, IMHO - in this era of absolute transparency of the serious player can not go on cheating or frank kidki . Lose all clientele.