Degenerate Art? Art of degenerates!

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Сообщение от Veronic

Kirill, but it's different, we talk about the art of degenerates.

The author presented the picture then also considered degenerate.
And who is "sort" will-degenerate /non-degenerate?
Could not help recall the sort before the crematorium in the fascist death camps.
And again to quote you.

Сообщение от Veronic

There are so many deaths, disease, suffering, and that watching them even in art absolutely do not want to, at least to me.

[Veronic]

Kirill, do you not see the difference? Or you simply provoke the development of dialogue?

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Сообщение от Veronic

Kirill, do you not see the difference?

Between what and what?

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Сообщение от Nedogonov

Fashist flying "... I do not need any installations and performances.

Your, Dr. Nedogonov

Dear Sirs
Will that - to use the term, who gave the name of the theme of the forum, literally, and even without the quotation marks? And besides, somewhere around the holiday on May 9?
I do not believe that someone mentioned this phrase from no recollection of its origin. Let all the same to the dictionary:

Degenerate art (born Entartete Kunst) - Nazi propaganda term to refer to the avant-garde art, which represents not only the modernist, antiklassicheskim, but the Jewish-Bolshevik, antigermanskim, and therefore dangerous to the nation and for the whole of the Aryan race .

little list here is:

Ernst Barlach
Max Beckmann
Hans Bellmer
George Gross
Otto Dix
Johannes Itten,
Heinrich Campendonk
Wassily Kandinsky
Ernst Ludwig Kirchner
Paul Klee
Oskar Kokoschka
Lovis Corinth
William Lembruk
El Lissitzky
Franz Marc
Paula Moderzon-Becker
Piet Mondrian
Laszlo Moholy-Nagy
Edvard Munch
Emil Nolde
Max Pechstein
Hans Richter
Christian Rohlfs
Raoul Hausmann
Karl Hofer
Marc Chagall
Kurt Schwitters
Oskar Schlemmer
Karl Schmidt-Rottluff
Otto Freundlich
Max Ernst
Alexej von Jawlensky

In addition, the degenerative reckoned among the artistic direction: Impressionism, Dadaism, Cubism, Fauvism, Surrealism, Expressionism, Bauhaus. In addition to the painters, artists attributed to degenerative composers Arnold Schoenberg, Paul Hindemith and other filmmakers Fritz Lang, Max Ophüls.

Comments, like, do not need.

It is interesting that opponents of the modern "degenerative art" using the same reasoning that Goebbels and his comrades. Not shake off the dust from their totalitarian feet - standing knee-deep and even deeper.
In general, if you continue to refer to the fascist quotations, then the word "degenerate art" - "I want to grab the gun."
Links to some textbooks outsiders .. It is better to be a textbook on the history of art revered. Well, there Freud with Jung. At the structuralists not threatened.
As every man associated with art, and having a circle of communication that goes beyond the professional scope, about a hundred times heard the question: "Well, what good is a" Black Square "by Malevich?" The first thirty times (while I was young ardor) answered, then language has become tired. It is difficult to explain this subject one does not know the history of IP-va at least "from buffalo to Barbizon. And further it would be good. Perhaps, but difficult. And not all good.

And art is something anyone anything they should not. Generally - pointless thing, the game was. Sometimes the divine, and sometimes vice versa. That is, if reduced to the most familiar categories.

Well, that's artists degenerates to snack. Or not sublime?

[Veronic]

Jana,
Please read the topic from the beginning, do not want to repeat. And do not confuse the flies and cutlets. For reference my post, I think degenerative art. During the gun ban is not enough and do not ask, let the people decide for themselves that they are close, and what is not.
http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...665&page=4

And you listed the authors also indirectly to blame, that opened the Pandora's box. Where it will lead no one knows. But I think that all by itself dealt with.

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Сообщение от Veronic

And you listed the authors also indirectly to blame, that opened the Pandora's box.

It's hard to believe that you are the artist's wife ...

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Сообщение от Yan

Degenerate Art (German Entartete Kunst) - the term Nazi propaganda to refer to the avant-garde art,

This passage already quoted here. This same party ...
http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...p;postcount=97

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Сообщение от Yan

It is interesting that opponents of the modern "degenerative art" using the same reasoning that Goebbels and his comrades. Not shake off the dust from their totalitarian feet - standing knee-deep and even deeper.
In general, if you continue to refer to the fascist quotations, then the word "degenerate art" - "I want to grab the gun".

Thank you both say that intervened, because for me, too unbearable, the fascist ideology. And the word that starts with a village (do not want to completely and pronounce) is very, very napriyatno.

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Сообщение от Mukhin ФЕОФАН

ignorance, stupidity, willful decision Zhukova paid hundreds of thousands of shattered lives ....
History does not know the subjunctive mood. But a sober assessment is needed. Otherwise - Afghan adventure, the Chechen war, bullying ....

Not very clear to me the comparison. Zhukov - a military leader, accepted strategy for all the leading military experts of the world. I can not, and did not want to discuss this person. He cited his example - just like winning one man skillful military battle. And win the war of personality, ability to organize and lead people. Including at Smer!

Сообщение от mezon

good and evil, genius and madness

  I think after all the genius and mediocrity!

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Сообщение от Semen Semenovich

Zhukov - a military leader, accepted strategy for all the leading military experts of the world.

Loud said. You know that in the military academies of the world are studying the operation under his leadership? What?

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Dear Veronic, on the link found only cutlets with flies. Separately, no.

: shy: And please do forgive me, all - and the truth, not all can read (no one will embrace the immense), but I do not doubt that everything already said. Just repeat - after all, the term some unprintable, some obscene.

You can tell a little more, though this someone probably already said?

Dear nelyubiteli actual art!
Leave alone Hirst with his shark. They did nothing wrong did not.
Fish do not bite, but you do not have to surrender their hard-earned rubles and hryvnia over the trade union or other voluntary-compulsory organization for public procurement of this worthy object. Were we to live in a society where one kind of art is banned, and the other is declared the state's power to proclaim a strong rate of Hurst only true, such a situation you would be threatened. I think that many would find time in his work a lot of advantages. : rolleyes:

In the meantime, you're just a pleasure Hirst and his international colleagues. The project was a success - all the artists spread out!
Those who want to pass for fashionable, smart and rich acquire sharks and inflatable hearts the size of an elephant (Koons), those who through lack of knowledge imagines himself zealous purity "sacred art" they shouted: "Down! shame! end of the world! ".
Some bought, others are bought, and the artist stands aside, considering bills and inhaling the aroma of laurel. Ok! His task was - to cause reflection of the broad masses, he did it. Tancujut all - from the millionaire to the pensioner. Human characters priobnazhilis old quality: stupidity, greed, vanity, curiosity, but also modesty, passion for self-knowledge, etc., began to play with new colors - beauty. Denzhischi - and the bonus is an artist and part of his project.

And if someone afraid for the younger generation, so do not be afraid! It should be easy to bring up children themselves, and not to give bail Hirst, Koons, br. Chapman, Vladik Monroe or that Manneken Pis from Ukraine. Before we worry about other people's fragile minds, better to strengthen his own, and then everything will be fine.
Sorry for the link to your own experience - he is closest. My poor son from childhood accustomed to the grim landscape contemporary art, as is known, is made from human amoral monster, but he did not them; torrid play computer games, from which the unknown like average teens go crazy and run into stores to shoot consumers, but instead accidentally learned English, became an admirer of primitive and vicious anime (look it up now) but again, not spoiled, and learned more Japanese, and fell in love with Hirosige Hokusai and Base with Busoni.
And this is not the exception but the rule. I have these boys have seen a lot of girls. They are now at 18-22. Good.
Maybe not so terrible modern devils?