Gurzhdiev, Georgy.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Originally Posted by bykinist

You tell it Plisetskaya or Zakharova.
Or Eifman.

Yeah, Gurdjieff choreographed Plisetskaya and Zakharova and Eifman he studied ...
in the first life, I guess.
>

[Pablo]

No, my dear artcol, I thought lyapnuv > G. will discuss in PM.
I will say one thing - his teachings can be summarized in a single phrase: "by hook or by crook."
In this topic, write no more desire.

[artcol]

Originally Posted by Pablo

No , my friend artcol, I thought lyapnuv > G. will discuss in PM. I will say one thing - his teachings can be summarized in a single phrase: " by hook or by crook ." In this topic, write no more desire .

But we have still burning desire ... Well, you are in a personal email , but here - no, no. And if you write, then you know how it will look. Arividerchi , dear P.

[Самвел]

BEING AND KNOWLEDGE

According to the Assumption, in almost all of his lectures Gurdjieff returned to the subject, which he regarded as extremely important - depending on the level of knowledge on the level of being.

"Human development proceeds along two lines - Gurdjieff - through knowledge and through life. With the right knowledge and the evolution of the line being developed simultaneously, in parallel to each other, helping each other. But if the line of knowledge too overtake a line of life or line being overtake a line of knowledge, human development will go the wrong way, and sooner or later will stop "1.

1 PD Ouspensky In Search of the Miraculous. Moscow, 1999, p. 89.

The question of the different levels of knowledge and being, and their interdependence is a stumbling block for the modern man, which is characterized by poor quality of life in the external worship of knowledge. Gurdjieff calls into question the quality of the knowledge that is available to mechanical person who is staying in a dream. Closer to a higher level of knowledge is possible only if the changes of human existence. But the majority of people today, according to Gurdjieff, are not able to change - a "broken machines, which have nothing to do" 1. Modern people are convinced that a person can have a wealth of knowledge, to make discoveries, to be a poet, artist, and at the same time to be petty, selfish, jealous and vain. People of Western culture appreciate the level of knowledge of the person, but do not appreciate the level of his being, and not ashamed of the low level of its own existence.

1 PD Ouspensky In Search of the Miraculous, p. 92.

If knowledge is ahead of the level of being, it is a theoretical, abstract and inapplicable to life and, in fact, harmful, because instead of helping people overcome difficulties, it makes life difficult for people, piling more and more difficult. Knowledge, which is not in harmony with existence, can not be complete. It is always the knowledge without the knowledge of the whole, knowledge forms without knowledge of the essence. The idea of ​​the value and importance of the level of being completely forgotten today.

At every level of existence may know, some kind of limited boundaries. Within the boundaries of knowledge to improve the quality of life that is available to him, it is impossible, it is just the accumulation of information of the same order - within the already known. The change in the very nature of knowledge is possible only with the change in the nature of being.

The characteristic features of modern humans, according to Gurdjieff, is lack of unity and the properties that he himself attributes - mind, will, and a permanent "I" and the ability to act. The absence of these properties is a clear sign of sleep in which modern man is constantly in.

That's the main shocking, paradoxical and therefore memorable statement Gurdjieff modern man lives in a dream, a dream is born and dies in his sleep. What kind of knowledge can be a person immersed in a dream? If sleep is the main feature that defines our existence, it is clear that a person who truly wants to knowledge should first think about how to change your being, that is, how to wake up.

Activity and passivity, truth and falsehood, honesty and dishonesty, courage and cowardice, self-control and lack of discipline, irritability, selfishness, self-sacrifice, pride, ambition, hard work, laziness, morality, corruption - these and many other features make up human existence. But all these qualities in a man mechanistic. Gurdjieff's favorite aphorism - to modern man all happens he can not do anything. He goes with the flow, even when it seems that he is fighting the current. Being a modern man - a very low quality. It is in most cases is so low that it can be no change - even squall external changes. So happy people, whose existence is still possible to change, because there are many people around, that nothing can be done, and such - the majority. Only a few are able to attain true knowledge, the other prevents the level of their being.

According to Gurdjieff, the balance between knowledge and being more important than the development of one or the other alone. In any case, the separate development of knowledge or being undesirable, but it is one-sided development often seem particularly appealing to people. Resultant between knowing and being is understanding. Understanding grows only with the increase in the level of being.

If knowledge gets over being overweight, a person knows, but can not do, and it is useless knowledge. If being overweight gets over knowledge, a person can do, but does not know what to do. Genesis, which he claimed, it is pointless, useless. Decay is being or scrolling in one place.

In the history of mankind are numerous examples, argued Gurdjieff, when because of its superiority over being knowledge or knowledge of the existence of the whole civilization died.

[bykinist]

Originally Posted by Pablo

This topic to write no more desire.

"If you know how to properly sharpen a pencil - you already know everything."
(C)

A powerful metaphor.

Pablo, you also know how!

[Pablo]

bykinist, I know that I know nothing.
I can all but I can not do!
Ah!
I'm upset > YES!
Well I do not write here!
> I'm going, going!
Caught yet, I artcol.
I - a bad man

[artcol]

Originally Posted by Samvel

BEING AND KNOWLEDGE

According to the Assumption, in almost all of his lectures Gurdjieff returned to the subject, which he regarded as extremely important - depending on the level of knowledge on the level of being.

"Human development proceeds along two lines - Gurdjieff - through knowledge and through life. With the right knowledge and the evolution of the line being developed simultaneously, in parallel to each other, helping each other. But if the line of knowledge too overtake a line of life or line being overtake a line of knowledge, human development will go the wrong way, and sooner or later will stop "1.

1 PD Ouspensky In Search of the Miraculous. Moscow, 1999, p. 89.

The question of the different levels of knowledge and being, and their interdependence is a stumbling block for the modern man, which is characterized by poor quality of life in the external worship of knowledge. Gurdjieff calls into question the quality of the knowledge that is available to mechanical person who is staying in a dream. Closer to a higher level of knowledge is possible only if the changes of human existence. But the majority of people today, according to Gurdjieff, are not able to change - a "broken machines, which have nothing to do" 1. Modern people are convinced that a person can have a wealth of knowledge, to make discoveries, to be a poet, artist, and at the same time to be petty, selfish, jealous and vain. People of Western culture appreciate the level of knowledge of the person, but do not appreciate the level of his being, and not ashamed of the low level of its own existence.

1 PD Ouspensky In Search of the Miraculous, p. 92.

If knowledge is ahead of the level of being, it is a theoretical, abstract and inapplicable to life and, in fact, harmful, because instead of helping people overcome difficulties, it makes life difficult for people, piling more and more difficult. Knowledge, which is not in harmony with existence, can not be complete. It is always the knowledge without the knowledge of the whole, knowledge forms without knowledge of the essence. The idea of ​​the value and importance of the level of being completely forgotten today.

At every level of existence may know, some kind of limited boundaries. Within the boundaries of knowledge to improve the quality of life that is available to him, it is impossible, it is just the accumulation of information of the same order - within the already known. The change in the very nature of knowledge is possible only with the change in the nature of being.

The characteristic features of modern humans, according to Gurdjieff, is lack of unity and the properties that he himself attributes - mind, will, and a permanent "I" and the ability to act. The absence of these properties is a clear sign of sleep in which modern man is constantly in.

That's the main shocking, paradoxical and therefore memorable statement Gurdjieff modern man lives in a dream, a dream is born and dies in his sleep. What kind of knowledge can be a person immersed in a dream? If sleep is the main feature that defines our existence, it is clear that a person who truly wants to knowledge should first think about how to change your being, that is, how to wake up.

Activity and passivity, truth and falsehood, honesty and dishonesty, courage and cowardice, self-control and lack of discipline, irritability, selfishness, self-sacrifice, pride, ambition, hard work, laziness, morality, corruption - these and many other features make up human existence. But all these qualities in a man mechanistic. Gurdjieff's favorite aphorism - to modern man all happens he can not do anything. He goes with the flow, even when it seems that he is fighting the current. Being a modern man - a very low quality. It is in most cases is so low that it can be no change - even squall external changes. So happy people, whose existence is still possible to change, because there are many people around, that nothing can be done, and such - the majority. Only a few are able to attain true knowledge, the other prevents the level of their being.

According to Gurdjieff, the balance between knowledge and being more important than the development of one or the other alone. In any case, the separate development of knowledge or being undesirable, but it is one-sided development often seem particularly appealing to people. Resultant between knowing and being is understanding. Understanding grows only with the increase in the level of being.

If knowledge gets over being overweight, a person knows, but can not do, and it is useless knowledge. If being overweight gets over knowledge, a person can do, but does not know what to do. Genesis, which he claimed, it is pointless, useless. Decay is being or scrolling in one place.

In the history of mankind are numerous examples, argued Gurdjieff, when because of its superiority over being knowledge or knowledge of the existence of the whole civilization perished.

Each phrase Gurdjieff - weight in gold. Even in this small passage is so much laid that other wise men and the whole life is not enough to understand the above, and for reasons which are precisely described in the text.

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Originally Posted by Pablo

I - a bad man

Are you talking about? Ah, one can only lament that there is no us George Ivanovich >

Banned him or not as a result? >

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Originally Posted by Cyril Syzran

Yeah, Gurdjieff choreographed Plisetskaya and Zakharova and Eifman he studied ... in the first life, I guess. >

Russian symbolism was certainly inspired by including Eastern mystical traditions. This is especially with regard to music and ballet fair.

[Jasmin]

Originally Posted by artcol; 2510191"

Each phrase Gurdjieff - its weight in gold .

 > > >
The whole philosophy of Gurdjieff's not worth the extracted eggs. All licked Nietzsche ! Primitive told him , adding luscious eastern tricks mixed with the ability to manipulate the empty loungers .

Originally Posted by artcol; 2510191"

Banned him or not as a result?

However, it does have enough intelligence to not banned >

[artcol]

Originally Posted by Jasmin

> > >
The whole philosophy of Gurdjieff's not worth the extracted eggs. All licked Nietzsche ! Primitive told him , adding luscious eastern tricks mixed with the ability to manipulate the empty loungers .



However, it does have enough intelligence to not banned >

God be with you, what kind of philosophy? What Nietzsche? !

[Jasmin]

Originally Posted by artcol

God be with you, what kind of philosophy?
What Nietzsche?!!!

'' Teaching'' Well, if you prefer.
>

To Nietzsche it certainly is, and there is no dispute.