Penza Museum - Page 2 - Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

SergeiSK · 23-09-2008, 19:37

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Originally Posted by Eugene

In the case of privatization of the museum collections of the owners of their newly made накроет wave of claims from the possible owners of the exhibits. Much of the funds museums in Russia are things of very dubious origin (90%). Do not forget: this is expropriated property and the value remaining after the Bolshevik revolution.

Our whole country is expropriated, and that from this? Never in Russia would not have enacted laws allowing to return the expropriated by the Bolsheviks value. If only the Romanov dynasty on the throne of Russia will not be returned, and this is again a bloody partition of the status quo in Russia. And if there is no such laws, then the claim can not be present. And the law of restitution also will not be. And allow the sale \ lease cultural values individuals could easily afford. It goes with different reservations (you can not sell and ship outside the country, compulsory exposure, etc.) It is beneficial to all parties - from the state to collectors. And of course, works of art will benefit from this, because private traders will watch them a much better state.

uriart · 23-09-2008, 19:54

When something HG Wells called Lenin Kremlin dreamer.
And you leaned in dreamers, friends!
But who will let you?
Yes, he will rot and simply write off, and all will be honest! Rotted - canceled!
But sell ...., so here to begin! And the corruption! And looting goskollektsy, etc, etc.
But officials say that is better let him rot ...
I remember the story of one of my acquaintance who had long lived in Israel.
When he was a student at university, she wrote an article about the Russian icon. And it blank if the funds of the Tretyakov Gallery. It was in the late 70's and early 80's.
It said that the icons were standing in puddles of water on the floor. and quite complicated icons. And special case anyone was not.
And you are talking about the provincial museums!

Евгений · 23-09-2008, 21:08

Even in 1908, serving in his own house collection gallery Shchukin bequeathed his native city of Moscow, but after the events of 1917 and the emigration in 1918 rewrote the will. Under the new testament, notarized by a notary of Paris, the collection was transferred three children.
In 1918, Shchukin collection was nationalized by Soviet power, the right of inheritance was abolished by law.
In Europe, the laws of other European courts do not recognize the confiscation without compensation
Not so simple as it seems ..
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Two collector, claiming that they are the rightful owners of works of art that were submitted on January 22 at a press screening at the Royal Academy of Arts in London, said they did not intend to sue, but feel that they deserve financial compensation.
Konovaloff Pierre and Andre-Marc Delocque-Fourcault accepted the invitation to the Academy to come to the private view display of "From Russia: French and Russia's Masterpieces of Painting 1870-1925 period, which presented exhibits for the four largest Russian Museum, writes The Guardian.
Delocque-Fourcault Russia's patron is the grandson of Sergei Shchukin, and Konovaloff - great-grandson of Ivan Morozov - one of the largest Russian collectors. After the Revolution, their collections were nationalized.

The exhibition was under threat because of fears of lawsuits by relatives of collectors. However, in late December 2007 the British authorities to urgently put in place a new Law on Courts, tribunals and the performance of their solutions, which guarantees the safety of all exhibits.
According Konovaloff, pictures of his famous relative, he will see the first time. "I'm very excited. It is a pity that we have not received compensation from the museums. We are the rightful owners," - he said.
Relatives of the famous Russian collectors have issued a joint statement, which indicated that do not require the return of works of art. Among the 120 works presented in the exhibition, 13 belonged to Morozov, a 23 - to Shchukin, including the famous "The Dance" by Matisse. Sergei Shchukin commissioned Matisse himself "Dance" to decorate the staircase in his mansion.
Konovaloff Pierre and Andre-Marc Delocque-Fourcault said: "We need to conclude an agreement on appropriate compensation, as well as interest on income generated from the demonstration of data products. Exhibitions of art are no longer the exclusive cultural activities aimed at education and enlightenment of people. They have become in economic actions, backed by powerful sponsors ".

Konstantin · 24-09-2008, 09:21

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Remember, when historic buildings are allowed to buy out private investors? The idea was sound, just no state control did not save those same monuments from destruction, alterations, re-planning and making estates in the sauna may, with the film won?

Would be even worse. All we had a country of extremes. Allowed from the store, and sell - everything.

uriart · 24-09-2008, 09:24

Call a spade a spade.
Do not sell!
Stolen! Under this sauce.
Nevertheless stolen from the people! And these things will meet the same fate.

iosif · 24-09-2008, 12:45

dedulya37,
Stozharov I have not seen it, but just could not miss. In any case, with great pleasure to look a picture if you have them published on the website

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Now answer Yuri.
We shall make a terrible idea. Only gather my courage.
Here are collected.
LET best works of art stolen, than they rot

SergeiSK · 24-09-2008, 12:55

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Originally Posted by iosif

"Let the best works of art stolen, than they rot

Correct! And let us leave a little!

Кирилл Сызранский · 24-09-2008, 13:09

Private owners gladly provide pictures on vystavki.Ih can uvidet.Est masterpieces that such exhibits only and can uvidet.V vaults they would just "rotten".
I love card series O. Rozanova, and my favorite picture of the "Four Aces" from the private sobraniya.Ya her in 1981 g.na "Moscow-Paris" I first saw, and then several more times on dr.vystavkah.
And she had been in the store any obl.muzeya?

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Originally Posted by iosif

LET best works of art stolen, than they rot

Sign.

Allena · 24-09-2008, 15:06

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Originally Posted by Cyril Syzransky

There are masterpieces that such exhibits only and can uvidet.V vaults they would just "rotten"

Quotation marks are superfluous, because they do not rot in a figurative, but in the literal sense.

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Originally Posted by Cyril Syzransky

Note from iosif
LET best works of art stolen, than they rot

Subscribe.

And I too.

artcol · 24-09-2008, 15:22

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Originally Posted by iosif

LET best works of art stolen, than they rot

Agree

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23-09-2008, 19:54	Original language: Russian #12
uriart Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UKRAINE Posts: 8,039 Thanks: 5,979 Thanked 7,016 Times in 2,462 Posts Reputation: 12460	When something HG Wells called Lenin Kremlin dreamer. And you leaned in dreamers, friends! But who will let you? Yes, he will rot and simply write off, and all will be honest! Rotted - canceled! But sell ...., so here to begin! And the corruption! And looting goskollektsy, etc, etc. But officials say that is better let him rot ... I remember the story of one of my acquaintance who had long lived in Israel. When he was a student at university, she wrote an article about the Russian icon. And it blank if the funds of the Tretyakov Gallery. It was in the late 70's and early 80's. It said that the icons were standing in puddles of water on the floor. and quite complicated icons. And special case anyone was not. And you are talking about the provincial museums!

23-09-2008, 21:08	Original language: Russian #13
Евгений Гуру Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 14,663 Thanks: 18,865 Thanked 16,456 Times in 4,506 Posts Blog Entries: 254 Reputation: 32443	Even in 1908, serving in his own house collection gallery Shchukin bequeathed his native city of Moscow, but after the events of 1917 and the emigration in 1918 rewrote the will. Under the new testament, notarized by a notary of Paris, the collection was transferred three children. In 1918, Shchukin collection was nationalized by Soviet power, the right of inheritance was abolished by law. In Europe, the laws of other European courts do not recognize the confiscation without compensation Not so simple as it seems .. -------------------------------------------------- ---- Читать дальше... Two collector, claiming that they are the rightful owners of works of art that were submitted on January 22 at a press screening at the Royal Academy of Arts in London, said they did not intend to sue, but feel that they deserve financial compensation. Konovaloff Pierre and Andre-Marc Delocque-Fourcault accepted the invitation to the Academy to come to the private view display of "From Russia: French and Russia's Masterpieces of Painting 1870-1925 period, which presented exhibits for the four largest Russian Museum, writes The Guardian. Delocque-Fourcault Russia's patron is the grandson of Sergei Shchukin, and Konovaloff - great-grandson of Ivan Morozov - one of the largest Russian collectors. After the Revolution, their collections were nationalized. The exhibition was under threat because of fears of lawsuits by relatives of collectors. However, in late December 2007 the British authorities to urgently put in place a new Law on Courts, tribunals and the performance of their solutions, which guarantees the safety of all exhibits. According Konovaloff, pictures of his famous relative, he will see the first time. "I'm very excited. It is a pity that we have not received compensation from the museums. We are the rightful owners," - he said. Relatives of the famous Russian collectors have issued a joint statement, which indicated that do not require the return of works of art. Among the 120 works presented in the exhibition, 13 belonged to Morozov, a 23 - to Shchukin, including the famous "The Dance" by Matisse. Sergei Shchukin commissioned Matisse himself "Dance" to decorate the staircase in his mansion. Konovaloff Pierre and Andre-Marc Delocque-Fourcault said: "We need to conclude an agreement on appropriate compensation, as well as interest on income generated from the demonstration of data products. Exhibitions of art are no longer the exclusive cultural activities aimed at education and enlightenment of people. They have become in economic actions, backed by powerful sponsors ".

24-09-2008, 09:24	Original language: Russian #15
uriart Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UKRAINE Posts: 8,039 Thanks: 5,979 Thanked 7,016 Times in 2,462 Posts Reputation: 12460	Call a spade a spade. Do not sell! Stolen! Under this sauce. Nevertheless stolen from the people! And these things will meet the same fate.

24-09-2008, 12:45	Original language: Russian #16
iosif Авторитет Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 965 Thanks: 924 Thanked 1,262 Times in 339 Posts Blog Entries: 1 Reputation: 2027	dedulya37, Stozharov I have not seen it, but just could not miss. In any case, with great pleasure to look a picture if you have them published on the website [color="# 666686"]Added after 4 minutes[/color] Now answer Yuri. We shall make a terrible idea. Only gather my courage. Here are collected. LET best works of art stolen, than they rot