Shishkin?

[Аннагригорьевна]

Dear forumchane.Dolgoe time at our house hanging kartinka.Nedavno I took the glass and found this.
Picture a small approximately 15 to 11.
On the mat sticker.

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At first I was very surprised . Then he began to read the biography of Shishkin - after graduating from the Academy of Fine Arts , he mastered the technique of lithography , and worked at the Hermitage , copying the masters . In the picture with one hand like a signature Shishkin , on the other hand , the inscription Peterhof 184 ? and the initials AS Could this be a copy of a drawing by Shishkin A Shtakenshnejdera ? Exactly the same work Shtakenshnejdera I have not found , but this pohozha.http : //www.museum.ru/alb/image.asp?32093 Please speak out.

[Аннагригорьевна]

At first I was very surprised. Then I began to read a biography of Shishkin - after graduating from the Academy of Fine Arts , he mastered the technique of lithography , and worked at the Hermitage , copying the works of the masters . In the picture with one hand like a signature Shishkin, but on the other hand , the inscription Peterhof 184 ? and the initials AS Could this be a copy of a drawing by Shishkin A Shtakenshnejdera ? Exactly the same work Shtakenshnejdera I did not find , but it looks like . http://www.museum.ru/alb/image.asp?32093 Please comment .

[нина-нина]

It looks like a painted lithograph.
More like a journal tab application.
Signed, made out well.

[Аннагригорьевна]

I'm not good in the subject, but the picture is rough under his fingers, the magazine does not like.

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Crawl the Internet , almost no doubt that the Shishkin with Shtakenshneydera.U Shtakenshnejdera was called St. Nicholas House = prototype peasant hut . That's what I'm not sure , that the picture hanging on our wall ( in the sense of technique ) . Here expressed that the tinted lithograph , in that I do not understand . The sheet of paper rather plump ( like a modern drawing paper ) and a rough fingers . I have people in the neighboring forum specifically tried: print , not printing ? Expressed that does not seem to print - watercolor .

[Артём]

Originally Posted by Nina Nina

Looks like a painted lithograph

Lithography . It you have a shiny . During this time, watercolor would completely burnt out , would be a pale matte .
And do not think that 13 - year-old ( on paper signature 1845 . ) student of the Kazan gymnasium copying architectural works Shtakenshnejdera would know they had a confident sign Shishkin , and in general to think seriously about the way the artist .

[Allena]

The label reads: A. Fedorov Supplier Russkago Museum of Emperor Alexander III in Petrograd Foundry 35.


"Petrograd" - a 1914 - 1924.
Alexander III, in this case - 1914 - 1917.
Need to see what lies at the Foundry, 35 in this period.
Most likely, some sort of printing.
Picture this - a reproduction.

[Аннагригорьевна]

Originally Posted by Artem

Lithograph . It you have a shiny . During this time, watercolor would completely burnt out , would be a pale matte .
And do not think that 13 - year-old ( on paper signature 1845 . ) student of the Kazan gymnasium copying architectural works Shtakenshnejdera would know they had a confident sign Shishkin , and in general to think seriously about the way the artist .

   The picture was displayed under glass . As I understood , on one hand the picture caption Shishkin , on the other hand - an inscription at the Peterhof 1845 and the initials AS In the biography Shishkin says that after graduating from the academy , he is in the Hermitage copied works of masters and mastered lithography . Ie a copy of the picture Shtakenshnejdera ( AS ) and the year is just to figure Shtakenshnejdera , rather than at the time of copying Shishkin . Well , I think so ...

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Originally Posted by Allena

The label reads: A. Fedorov Supplier Russkago Museum of Emperor Alexander III in Petrograd Foundry 35 .

" Petrograd " - a 1914 - 1924. Alexander III , in this case - 1914 - 1917 . Need to see what lies at the Foundry , 35 in this period . Most likely , some sort of printing . Picture this - a reproduction .

  A reproduction can be rough under his fingers ? I really do not understand this . This collection is a relative , would he buy a reproduction ? I thought that label applies only to the mat in which the picture .

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Originally Posted by "Annagrigorevna

Well, I think ...

Most likely.

In 1865, after graduating at the Academy of Shishkin has already written a "Type in the outskirts of Düsseldorf!
Why is the established master copy, sorry, frankly weak picture and still with all the dates and signatures?

[Аннагригорьевна]

Originally Posted by Artem

Probably .
In 1865, after graduating at the Academy of Shishkin has already written a " Type in the outskirts of Düsseldorf ! Why is the established master copy , sorry , frankly weak picture and still with all the dates and signatures ?

  I do not know , MB mastering lithography , as written in his biography ? There are written , that in the period of training at the academy and at the end , he worked in the Hermitage , copying the work . MB Shtakenshnejdera copied along with the initials and date , but as soon as possible otherwise ? Dear forum ! I myself in doubt and poiske.Ot relatives remained part of the collection , the collector himself was born in the late 19 th century , all the works were purchased by him before the war . I hope very much for your help and discussion . This also applies to other works . Thanks in advance .

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Originally Posted by Artem

Why has the established master copy , excuse me , frankly weak picture and still with all the dates and signatures

Originally Posted by Annagrigorevna ; 1648261 "

As it is written that in the period of training at the academy and at the end , he worked at the Hermitage

What I mean is that the artist is engaged in copying to improve their skills , not lower . And if you copy a signature do not make - it's the law .