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art as a commodity : Paradoxes and patterns I.A.Golman ( Moscow University for the Humanities ) The problems of contemporary Russian art market from the point of view of a practicing marketer. The main problems of the subjects of the domestic art market - they are not a complete or partial involvement in marketing knowledge and skills. Showing the most significant differences between the goods in the art market from other goods . The definition of art as a commodity . Shows the required direction of the art market operators . Keywords : art market , art work , product marketing, marketing art , the promotion of art and their authors. Before the main text - a few small , but fundamentally important , notes. 1. For the sake of simplicity the author narrows the concept of the art market until the market of contemporary art , although almost all below the foregoing also applies to other segments of the art market. 2 . There is practically no market educational and scientific literature on the problems of promoting the art product. 3 . The author's opinion is much easier to understand the features of art works as a commodity , having considered a number of its obvious , but nevertheless paradoxical properties , stopped on their paradoxical . 4 . The author proceeds from trusted him personally , in practice, the postulate that the highlighting features of marketing art product , you can continue to use the standard marketing tools to promote and enhance its sales. 5 . Speaking of the art product is a product, in the majority of cases occur at the same time talk about the creator of this product . 6. All of the following argument is based on the personal experiences of the author . On the one hand, this is a plus - efficiency, relevance, proximity to the Russian reality . On the other - a serious disadvantage, because personal experience is always limited , especially as the author started working in the art business is relatively recent. So, let's begin. Art market in one form or another there is tens of thousands of years. Since the times of the ancient world ( and perhaps even earlier ) successful in creatively master ( painter , sculptor , writer, musician) could well become a very wealthy man. However, could not be. And, then, before us - the paradox of the first. Any qualified person with creative potential - the programmer , designer, chemist, biologist , mathematician , lawyer - is now virtually guaranteed to become with time off or a very wealthy man . It was only in the arts is not so. Master degree of talent - both in the past and today - by no means a guarantee of fame , recognition and commercial success. In the language of mathematics , the availability of talent and hard work - a necessary but insufficient condition for a decent market implementation of its owner and he created works. Moreover , there are numerous examples of commercially successful and thus not very talented members . Especially since they are in the entertainment business , are very similar to the art business. As a rule, after the cessation of targeted promotional campaigns such market actors behave like soap bubbles , ie their reputation among consumers disappears, and the price of the product " collapse ." At the same time, identified dozens of examples where the true talents in life do not find acceptance. And one can only imagine how many great talents have not found acceptance at all - either in life or after death. Note that in the other market , non- art fields such " voluntarism " is still not observed. Yummy cakes , sooner or later recognized by most consumers delicious . Aircraft - after many failed attempts - at the beginning of the last century still took off and became the object of several market areas . Boots - rovers and Velcro , following his role in the moon ( non-market ) program " Apollo ", a successful transition to a normal life and have found their niche in the market . Here is revealed the second paradox of the art business .
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Goleman Joseph Abramovich - candidate of technical sciences, professor of the Faculty of advertising the Moscow Humanitarian University. Tel. +7 ( 499) 374-54-51 . E-mail : i7591@yandex.ru
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Suitable PR Sapunkova <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
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Foreign experience you have studied?
There's a market just is, and here it just is not.
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Sure, it's a PR Sapunkova too. Although the private PR - too much effort .
The main purpose of writing another . Let's call it instinct popularizer . From childhood I always burned poobyasnyat around what I think he realized <! - ~ 1 ~ -> Why wrote a non -fiction articles in all the major n- n edition. By the way, the main goal could be called a commercial . Who honestly teaches that sells more <! - ~ 1 ~ -> . The second goal - conditionally commercial . Promote the development of the art market of the Russian Federation for the middle class and below. Here I have been working not only for themselves , I think. And yet - the problem is NOT IMPOSSIBLE . I'm his first textbook on advertising written in 1991. There was then the advertising! And now there is . This is not to say that I created it . But the effort , then put <! - ~ 1 ~ -> [color="#666686 " ]Added after 5 minutes[/color] Цитата:
Once again I would argue that today any good engineer \\\\ Programmer \\\\ chemist \\\\ biologist can make good money . In extreme cases - will wave to another city or country. A good specialist can always make good money . On the artists it does not apply . About this paradox I'm saying. [color="#666686 " ]Added after 18 minutes[/color] " Why, there are answers - good business. For you. And if such works are sold in the range of 500-800 , the client " Sovkoma "just" lohonulsya . " Finding accurate information will have less trust ... " Scoops " ... " Message from Buscador Dear colleague , apparently, I poorly explained . A customer who purchases 30 000 for Sovkome was in no way deceived. Over 800 he could buy if I met this job for 10 years before that , or at least prior to the promotion . Such an opportunity does not and will never <! - ~ 1 ~ -> By the way, if you happen to find someone on a rustic attic Shishkin and redeem for 10,000 rubles , and then sell at auction a few more, then your buyer - goof ? [color="#666686 " ]Added after 30 minutes[/color] Buscador, but was not on the market price is less ! No longer was . There used to be , as long as the marketer was not. While the artist was unknown, more than a hundred professional reviews did not exist, did not organize exhibitions , printed catalogs , presentations took place. When all this is done , even in the fastest time , the market price is another. Unless, of course , the marketing was not mistaken in the choice of the artist and in their marketing activities. And also , if it is accompanied by good luck <! - ~ 1 ~ -> Actually, the whole point of my work and articles - to make cheap paintings by unknown artists precious paintings known . It is not found in the attic Shishkin <! - ~ 1 ~ -> Последний раз редактировалось iosif; 04.09.2013 в 12:51. Причина: Добавлено сообщение |
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In the case of " attic Shishkin's painting " , " chode " "has turned the one who took the picture and failed to sell at a realistic price . Buyer also got her on the prevailing market price, as it does not exceed 60 times the ... [color="#666686 " ]Added after 20 minutes[/color] Цитата:
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Buscador, you 're right about the time frame . The article clearly states - soon . Of course, after the promotion . About the paradox - in my opinion , it is still there. The product itself has not changed.
But the main point - that the auction " a fisherman in the reeds " was sold at the market price . At that time it has become such . Actually, the auction determines the market price. A marketer depends on it to grow (all other conditions remaining unchanged ) |
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Buyer ( in any field ) drew attention to the brand. (Can be in terms of getting mixed up , iosif will correct . Marketer I do not . ) In the next branch to discuss the exhibition Stallone in Russian . Here is an example of two brands. If Stallone put the pictures in the gallery iosif as well - it's PR Gallery. A Sapunkov in Russian - it's PR Sapunkova . Therefore, if crudely , the passage of a little-known artist in the famous auction may well raise the price of the job. Цитата:
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For this self-respecting businessman have trustees who are "in" ...
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A self-respecting , but not as wealthy businessmen are forced to turn to the pros - for example to the realtors . Everyone wants to market and sales. In this case, you can not rely solely on the business with the trustees . Create a mass market . Цитата:
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Mass, in the sense that a large number of people with the means to create a market (arts ) ? [color="#666686 " ]Added after 34 minutes[/color] Цитата:
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