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Eriksson 18.10.2013 18:28

Need Advice!
 
Friends !

Need advice . The situation is this . In 2008, a rustic Swedish auction I bought the picture , the description of which was available for the artist name . Picture hanging for me almost 5 years and I sell it into his head . Pulled down to " Bukovskis " it took no doubting the authenticity of any picture or signature. To sell the work in the last year for almost the same amount that was purchased , the gift that estimate " Bukovskis " set much higher.

Just get a mail with " Bukovskis " the threat to collect from me the cost of painting as a new customer images allegedly questioned its authenticity. " B. " offers me in turn advertise the auction , the seller, knowing full well that there do not accept claims on the grounds of nullity .

To begin, I sent them to ... only in other words . I replied that as a private and honest buyer , I can not be responsible for the activities of the auction and invited them to deal directly between the auction houses.

What else can I give arguments in his defense , if fucking " B. " nevertheless will continue to settle ?

Кирилл Сызранский 18.10.2013 19:02

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Сообщение от Eriksson (Сообщение 2812871)
as a new customer images allegedly questioned the authenticity of her

any questions he should ask to auction, where he bought a thing.

Of course, the auction tried to resolve the issue with your money.

I think the second time they are to you for them not turn.

sergejnowo 18.10.2013 19:12

Eriksson, for a start, to change the direction of thinking.
In today's world of rights is not the one who is right , but the one who secured the better .
Carefully read the contract that was signed between you and the " Bukovskis ."
Then read the legal conditions of purchase on the " Bukovskis ," especially the return policy works.
Legal answer is right there, any arguments or emotions are secondary.
It seems to me that the buyer must give you a written legally credible evidence that the work left .

Eriksson 18.10.2013 19:17

Cyril Syzransky, Oh, I hope ... Especially because I just picked up the documents and made ​​sure that when I bought the picture , then I took and droit de suite.

But in general I of "B " is already so tired, no words. In the past year I have there is banal stole now accepted for evaluation. I have a year of them beat out the money and still won , though at lower estimate . But the whole year, these "b . " twisted , twirled and drank the blood , and now seems to have decided to drink the remains of ...

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Сообщение от sergejnowo (Сообщение 2812951)
Legal answer is right there, any arguments or secondary emotions


You're absolutely right, sergejnowo!

Утагава Кунисадович 23.10.2013 23:33

That is, they took a picture of the "look" and then said that will not give up, because why?

Eriksson 24.10.2013 08:13

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Сообщение от Utagawa Kunisadovich (Сообщение 2820221)
That is, they took a picture of the "look" and then said that will not give up, because why?



Utagawa Kunisadovich, was nothing like that.
The painting was sold a year ago, and now the new owner Bukovskis filed a claim, it is supposedly not the author.

тандем 24.10.2013 08:54

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Сообщение от sergejnowo; 2812951 "
Carefully read the contract that was signed between you and the " Bukovskis ."
Then read the legal conditions of purchase on the " Bukovskis ," especially the return policy works.
Legal answer is right there, any arguments or secondary emotions .

Quite soglasen.V contract, which was concluded between you and the " Bukovskis " certainly has the " responsibility of the parties ," where deliverer of work required to provide truthful information about predmete.V Otherwise auction shall not be responsible and so on .... If the auction proves (this auction is to prove ) that the information was not true, there comes a responsibility deliverer .
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Сообщение от sergejnowo; 2812951 "
I think that the buyer must give you a written legally credible evidence that the work left .

Buyer must provide proof of auction to sell him the job, and the auction should understand in peace or in court, and not automatically translate the arrows on the deliverer of the subject.
Analyze the rules of the auction, contract , consult with a lawyer is not paying attention to the assaults auction - his tactics predictable as the fact that when faced with an adequate and legally verified answer , he diminished his ardor , if at all zatknetsya.Zhelayu luck.

Утагава Кунисадович 24.10.2013 23:18

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Сообщение от Eriksson (Сообщение 2820481)
Utagawa Kunisadovich, was nothing like that . The painting was sold a year ago, and now the new owner Bukovskis filed a claim, it is supposedly not the author .

Excuse me, I asked the question is not clear . I'm talking about the one second that you have described , the case . When they are " squeezed " picture. How do they argued ?

Eriksson 25.10.2013 07:26

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Сообщение от Utagawa Kunisadovich ; 2822041 "
I'm talking about the second one , described by you in case. When they are " squeezed " picture.

That picture they are not " squeezed " . She just disappeared. First, a few months dupe of a picture show expert. Then I went bodyaga about the fact that "the expert look , but you have to think ." I demanded to work, as became interested in the Auktsionverkete . After that, a few months they " were looking for in stock," and reported that it is a very difficult exercise , because it is difficult to find a single piece of 100 thousand pieces of something else ... Complicated by the fact that the picture was taken without my consent in Finland.
Well, in the end, I brutalized and threatened that reported to the police and at the same time " selling " the news in the newspaper that the "B " wound thief .
Here then is we are talking about compensation. "B" is, of course , decided to get rid of the three coppers . But !
I do not know what more I helped in the unequal struggle : macro signature that I could do or - Reputation Forum " Artinvestment", which at one time and it was established authorship of the work . Thanks Raskatova, he then identified the author :
http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showthread.php?t=126523

Such is the " epic" .

Утагава Кунисадович 25.10.2013 22:56

Wow, that is, they simply lost.
Apologized at least?


By the way, about the pictures on the cover of a cigar box - about a month ago, I saw something like this ...
in Metropolis what?
You did not notice?
And there is the cover has been labeled in Russian.


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