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Маруся 08.08.2009 14:46

Lithography and other types of lottery charts
 
It is for me a hot topic. Help, please, understand. Any other questions (one already asked in the topic terminology, because it seemed the most appropriate of the recent).
What distinguishes lithography (stone acid) from the Silk (small stencil) theory about understand. If not right, content change, please. And, perhaps, from the Print /Estampa is a different use of some other printing techniques ...
Questions:
Is there a limit on the number of colors in lithography?
Is it possible to combine in one paper lithography and silkscreen printing?
Is it possible to distinguish one from another and even from the Print /prints, and how it can be done?

Half a day spent on the search for this topic at the forum, therefore, decided to try to combine that found (certainly not all)

Here the issue was discussed in detail (and very interesting)
http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...695&page=2
http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...7495#post77495

Кирилл Сызранский 08.08.2009 15:15

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Сообщение от Maroussia (Сообщение 529316)
What is the difference lithography (stone acid) from the Silk (small stencil) theoretically know about

I do not know what a "small stencil, silk screening but can be of enormous size.
This is a way of making designs through a stencil, yes. On the grid, with a very fine mesh (like pantyhose, only stronger) applied a special solution in the right places. Where this is not a frozen solution, passes paint. Lead such a special contraption (forgot the term), such as a spatula, only wooden, and slave. surface of the rubber, a long wide framework for its entire length. Two times normal.
How many colors you want to put as many of these frameworks and template.
Such technology was even 15 years ago.
Now in the west as well, but the materials are modern and comfortable. where table is necessary for printing a special, framed this fix, etc.
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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 529396)
lead such a special contraption (forgot the term), such as a spatula

I remember-Raquel!

Кирилл Сызранский 08.08.2009 16:36

Maroussia, I had a shop for the production of goods shirpotrebleniya and I studied serigraphy, I know the whole process and you described it.
What's wrong? What you do not like?

Wladzislaw 08.08.2009 17:23

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Сообщение от Maroussia (Сообщение 529316)
Is there a limit on the number of colors in lithography?
Is it possible to combine in one paper lithography and silkscreen printing?
Is it possible to distinguish one from another and even from the Print /prints, and how it can be done?

1. In theory - no. In practice, I was not aware of lithographs more than 8 colors.

2. Maybe some people doing experiments. The lithograph can be "poured" on top silkscreen. This different techniques and there is no sense to mix.

3. Difference lithographs from silk obvious. In silk smooth, usually shiny colorful surface.

P. S. Maroussia, you will find a mixture of a lot of texts, it is not clear where his words are.

Wladzislaw 08.08.2009 17:58

Here read:

http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showthread.php?t=38175

Admin 08.08.2009 20:59

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Сообщение от Wladzislaw (Сообщение 530076)
Y silk smooth, usually shiny colorful surface.

Smooth just not necessary. My friend has a small print shop and specializes just on silk. So one time he became interested in multi-silkscreen paintings and made (specifically - copies of works Tsereteli) as much in 64 colors for the transfer of different colors and shades. I have one such home hangs. So there was not a smooth surface of paint, as it were, imitating the strokes of the artist. Obtained some very interesting things - even if closer examination would not think that this production of The Draw - the full impression that this author's work.

And so, in principle, you're right, Wladzislaw. I usually silk smooth, shiny, slightly convex colorful surface, are of much greater color intensity than, for example, in offset printing. For this silkscreen and valued.

Кирилл Сызранский 08.08.2009 21:06

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Сообщение от Admin (Сообщение 530636)
I usually silk smooth, shiny, slightly convex colorful surface, which has a much greater color intensity than, for example, in offset printing. For this silkscreen and valued.

In silk can use any paint-oil-art, printing, acrylic, even Nitra. We just compounds covering the grid to change under a specific color.
And tolschenu applied paints can be changed. The greater the distance between itself and the grid surface on which paint is applied, the more paint on the surface remains. Power squeegee pressure on the grid also gives a certain effect, natezhenie most grid. But from grunkovki the surface also depends. When pulling soil, the paint will be partly in the ground to leave.
Yes, you can achieve the effect serigraphy smears, etc.

NATA NOVA 08.08.2009 21:23

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Сообщение от Maroussia (Сообщение 529316)
Is it possible to combine in one paper lithography and silkscreen printing?

Judging by the names of techniques in catalogs, everything is possible .. Work-best teacher.

  What are the techniques you know? Show your work,

NATA NOVA 08.08.2009 21:37

Вложений: 4
Examples: schelkografiya, linocut, drypoint and rubber stamp

Silkscreen, 60x50 cm with ink drawings from nature orig.19h17sm (great opportunities)
Linocut 30x30 can be 10 000 units say (ever so many do not have enough 25)
drypoint 7h9sm (very few high-quality prints can be sdnlat 8.9 total)
rubber stamp (bookplate) 50 000 thousand (useful for large bibltotek)

NATA NOVA 08.08.2009 21:53

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Сообщение от Admin (Сообщение 530636)
as much in 64 colors for the transfer of different colors and shades.

Why? Stop and 4! (what aesthetic neobhodimist if enough chatyreh?)

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Сообщение от Maroussia (Сообщение 530766)
Can you kindly answer my question?

Maroussia, I learned how to cut linoleum on the books and printed in the bathroom with a wooden spoon (a Kofanov and tea metal) is the ancient Japanese way to hand-print)
So read it and try ... many will simply iyasnym. no questions asked. (a lot of books. инфы and declined as well in that as well.)
  Good luck!

Admin 09.08.2009 09:21

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA (Сообщение 530816)
Why? Stop and 4! (what aesthetic neobhodimist if enough chatyreh?)

NATA NOVA, you are silkscreened with the offset will not be confused by chance? This is in offset printing all color shades are transmitted four colors, as used for the halftone grid. At the same silk-screen grid is almost never used (although this is partly possible, but with a fairly significant limitations). 64 colors is used to transfer colors and halftones.

Incidentally, even in offset printing, there is not a 4, and 7 colors - to obtain higher quality images with high color gamut (color range) and high color saturation. True, there are serious difficulties with separations under the seven-color printing, this requires special software which is developed and comes with a seven-printing equipment for printing. That is, color separations for a print in the usual way in Photoshop is not done. The same, incidentally, and 64-color silk-screen printing - for color separation used specialized software, very expensive.

NATA NOVA 09.08.2009 09:41

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Сообщение от Admin (Сообщение 531576)
NATA NOVA, you are silkscreened with the offset will not be confused by chance? This is in offset printing all color shades are transmitted four colors, as used for the halftone grid. At the same silk-screen grid is almost never used (although this is partly possible, but with a fairly significant limitations). 64 colors is used to transfer colors and halftones.

Incidentally, even in offset printing, there is not a 4, and 7 colors - to obtain higher quality images with high color gamut (color range) and high color saturation. True, there are serious difficulties with separations under the seven-color printing, this requires special software which is developed and comes with a seven-printing equipment for printing. That is, color separations for a print in the usual way in Photoshop is not done. The same, incidentally, and 64-color silk-screen printing - for color separation used specialized software, very expensive.

No, not confused. Nature abhors advisable. Screen printing is a manual press. Can and more (than 64) colors are mixed, but I do not see any practical or estetecheskoy expediency. Absolutely all the colors obtained by mixing 5 colors (which replaces the white white paper). You can print other 4-name colors, if color paper
One of the main (or black) then you just need to add white paint .. AND ALL!

Admin 09.08.2009 14:17

I apologize, but as a professional in the printing industry can only say that what you wrote, it is impossible to realize in silk. Therefore, multi-color screen printing and do differently, and not, as you propose.

09.08.2009 15:04

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Сообщение от Admin (Сообщение 532186)
I apologize, but as a professional in the printing industry can only say that what you wrote, it is impossible to realize in silk. Therefore, multi-color screen printing and do differently, and not, as you propose.

Mechanism of silk is extremely simple - the places that should not be stamped, closed, and the rest is fed paint. And so many times, until ready image.
In the second half of the twentieth century, introduced the term "seriography" to distinguish handicraft production, production of posters and T-shirts-on creation of works iskusstva.Stali produce sieve cells are a thousand times smaller than that of silk and fine colors .. colors in this technology is not limited. How many nuances According to the authors - many times the material will fall under the printing press, which is the same time pour the paint on it .. seriography distinguish from computer-prints is easy - passing her hand over the surface roughness and feel sherohovatosti.kak on plain film.

NATA NOVA 09.08.2009 19:43

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Сообщение от Admin (Сообщение 532186)
I apologize, but as a professional in the printing industry can only say that what you wrote, it is impossible to realize in silk. Therefore, multi-color screen printing and do differently, and not, as you propose.

   I do not understand you. You do not understand me ... I think I'll answer my work. (And you, my!) 4 tracings long wait, only to make the grid and print .. What to say without pictures? Bury .. As soon as I will do so immediately and show.


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