Продам: Plate from the service of the Order of St. Andrew --- 1780, Mr. Gardner

[vladimir45]

deep dish soup ----- smallest of the orders' table sets --- was a capacity for 50 persons ----- mark in underglaze blue test star

[tivoli]

the falsification LIKELY

[tivoli]

But look at the heel plate and єто stamp Jan color of porcelain, it is as white as a modern in those days, especially in the Gardner byssa porcelain was the color of cream with the blue ottenkoi and based on inconspicuous signs of physical deterioration as a consequence of which the glaze is broken and the dirt falls directly on dough.

[vladimir45]

once you're smarter than experts from DPI that you want to have as much a whole heap of fakes

[Konstantin]

tivoli,

FUFEL

the falsification LIKELY

Explain more why you think so, otherwise take away your message.

[Grigory]

vladimir45, I advise you sometimes press "Shift" key and punctuate. Russian language on this forum is not terminated!

[vladimir45]

Thanks учту

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от vladimir45

deep dish soup ----- smallest of the orders' table sets --- was a capacity for 50 persons ----- mark in underglaze blue test asterisk

Seems! Here's why: it is very difficult right emerged so significant, even in small things, details - easy to get wrong ... Is important even as a master of "struck" some striped ... I think forger weigh their options. Forge emblems, medals, regalia is too much work.

[tivoli]

Sorry, but you were born yesterday, unless you know better not comment on these plates with coats of arms and even "imperial vases, sizes up to 1 meter flooded the market, but what do you think of counterfeit plates, Nicholas 1, when there is a golden edge with tsirovkoy with the arms weapons, and paintings in the reserve pohlesche than these orders, to draw these orders to spit it once or twice.

Сообщение от K-Maler

looks like! Here's why: it is very difficult right emerged so significant, even in small things, details - easy to get wrong ... Is important even as a master of "struck" some striped ... I think forger weigh their options. Forge emblems, medals, regalia is too much work.

[vladimir45]

To begin with respected expert mnogostanochnik Tivoli how to pronounce - the view must be understood that the camera is far better than the human eye and have the subject in hand and only then talk about the color weight and abrasions but still honor a clever books about the history of medal table sets. that they were used only once a year at chevstvovaniya orders and then to the end of the reign of Nicholas I and then by his decree, all the medal sets including Berlin and Andrew were transferred to the Hermitage and in return they were released repetitions on the imperial factory and they did not once and were not used and there are just super perfect condition. But if we take as an example of the Kremlin service out there on the contrary almost never occur dish in perfect condition with no scuffs except dodelok time of Nicholas II. And your authoritative opinion got into the habit of flooding the market is your leash so to say an authoritative opinion ---- the only thing that has yet learned to do so is more like biscuit Gardner figurines and even if they take up can be seen that this is not original with the same mass. weight and structure of the test. There are of course alterations from Europe with new psevdopohozhimi brands but they are easy to read and verify the possible dovolno just a strong solvent, if the owners of these masterpieces will let you. And perhaps most important in that it is necessary to pay attention to orders' plate so it is also on board. he seems like a multi-level and even to repeat at the imperial factory made but also less clearly (because you just in case for general rzvitiya not like that at Gardner did not have more IPE nowhere without seeing that already excludes podddelku from other laundry). Any attempt to do something similar yet no one has failed except propaganda porcelain and it is not very convincing but it is a separate issue. But since you are so special and brings into question the opinion of DPI. Kuskovo and GMM then I am before you shoot panamku. Here you ссылочка and try to find the differences ---------- http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/l...6-74676e1ff428

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So much for the backdrop respected special thiol