Artist and booster

[babochka]

can anyone share experiences. Are there jobs for artists promotional? For example, window dressing, or kom.zakazchik request to paint a picture of the order (ie with a given specific topic, maybe even color scheme, plot). As you work (if it happens) with such an order? reworks all of 100 times? (as happens in the interior design.). or stipulate immediately any certain conditions? (how? what?)
I just faced the fact that the holding of such an order (as the "want to eat and do not consider myself a" great master of the art ", I am looking) I have to work for much less cost than finished work, or, for example, are a potential sale in the gallery .. and the customer is always changing his mind (as chiefs in a mountain-style company), if work is not reworked, but simply redrawing the line in the drawing.

[Konstantin]

1) Find out who finally decides.
option when you give a sketch for approval by the manager, as he wanders through the divisions, and shows all - please do not please "and then after such gestures appears on the table to the executive, who is up to the lantern views of all the others, and he crosses - this option is not working .
2) Once found out who makes the decision (response group of friends - do not take) specifies the quantity of free versions of the thumbnail, such as 10, after which each additional charge, with this money is not necessarily large and rather small, it's not them, just a discipline situation.
And starts to work and show it to this man and his signature to the amendment to the sketch. For example, you write: sketch showcases - all to make lighter, remove the vacuum from the first plan, to add iron, placed below the signature of the head and you are.
3) Once a painting accepted sketch, begin to implement the project.
4) Be sure to specify a painting schedule of payment of your work.
For example:
a) Advance payment - 100 pp. immediately
b) Development of the thumbnail 200 pp. after the approval of the final
c) Prepayment for purchase of materials (or something) before 200 pp.
d) The final payment after delivery /receipt 500 rub.

[Allena]

Сообщение от Konstantin

specifies the number of free versions of the thumbnail, for example 10,

Konstantin noted all the most important thing!
Only one remark: 10 free sketches - this is unacceptable lot. I will not go into details an explanation (on this subject can be a workshop to make ), but if briefly, that this is a very corrupt and the customer not only saves in his eyes, the artist's skills, but most overriding , - a customer comes to the conclusion that the artist is not enough seriously to order . Hence - distrust of the artist, whims, prodding and even the mass of unpleasant moments.
Maximum - 3 sketch: good-quality, fundamentally different, very well thought . Be prepared to answer the questions - "why," and why ", and it is responsible, reasoned, serious, confident. The more the customer will feel that you have worked hard over his order that each object is in place does not excuse me, from the bulldozer, but wisely, the less the whims and ultimately better results. Very useful in some minor details to consult with the customer.
Then the basis is the only one of them and begin improvements. Then everything exactly as said Constantine.
Find out in conversation preference of who will make a decision, it will not be distributed mysyu on the tree . And: in the stages of the first sketches do not hesitate to ask questions about what you have to, so to speak, to advertise. It is absolutely necessary and it is important from the outset to negotiate with the customer that he gave you time to familiarize themselves with the subject. That is, first he has to tell you all about the "subject". If this shop, pay attention primarily to the merits of their product, on how retailers are dressed, how they communicate. Very good to ask the customer to describe, say, 10 nouns and adjectives (the minimum possible, but no longer is) the image of his store or his product more accurately. This is help you. Yes, and more: Check that, according to the customer, for it is absolutely not acceptable in a future draft. Sometimes, for example, is that it categorically rejects any color, etc., but if, from your point of view, this color is absolutely necessary, then the reserves of iron arguments.
In short, there's a huge advertising its own kitchen, but I got carried away, sorry ...
 
And, if I may, one more practical advice. Advertising - this is a case in which each ground squirrel - Agronomist! That is, each head (the smaller, more confident) believes that no one but himself, does not understand exactly how to do.
So - tip: do not forget that customer to you no one on the lasso did not lead, he chose you , he evaluated your work, he decided to conclude a contract with you and pay you a fee. In cases of dispute, try to induce him to make and it is about all that he remembered and respected their own decisions.

[babochka]

Konstantin, Allena, many thanks !! "all very important!
Allena, often (familiar from the experience of sales) solution (in this case for decorating) takes a single head, but says some other (in my case it is advertising manager and director of the hotel), has turned situation that the sketch was prepared and approved by the manager ( the last sketch and 4 ready-work) , but not like the manager because of "dim and nonpositive. from the very beginning the only argument gl.ruk in relation to my work was like that. and I found out a similar scheme as yours, what specifically was needed initially. and if you compare their overall viz.reklamu and my result, then I think the style itself is maintained (as tsv.gamma!). now I could not stand, and demand explanations from them! about excuses.
Konstantin, for me the big question was the one to which you answered about epatov payment for sketches and the work itself. very nice! This time I did not enjoy this, and therefore, perhaps, everything turned chaotic.
If possible, I'll put in my LJ information (with other links on the forum), not to get lost and can still be what people need!

[Allena]

Сообщение от babochka

if you compare their overall viz.reklamu and my result, then I think the style itself is maintained (as tsv.gamma!)

But whether they like it? And adequately whether what they had, that the image of his own company (and image, as we know, this is an artificially created, designed an image), which they drew in their heads? Rather, they appealed to you because they wanted to change something - can not dramatically at first, but certainly set the direction of motion.
For the future, even better advice: advertising manager all the time "to keep on our toes," because the position they have, of course, not envy, but on the other hand, for all their mistakes in the end you have to pay. It often happens that the manager of advertising artist's soul to soul, then the head, whose other artistic representations (not necessarily - worse, perhaps just different), destroys this creative idyll on the vine. Usvoyte firm: advertising manager - an intermediary between you and those who decide. His opinion is of value only if it coincides with the opinion of who decides. You must understand this very firmly and constantly monitored.
I think that reflects your case, you do not understand what you expect from a principle (colors - it's a trifle, among other things), but did not understand, because it did not ask relevant questions or, more likely, no responses were received. Learn to ask and receive answers - very useful, honest !

[Vladimir]

If interested, we will learn how the procedure is constructed to harmonize with the design of the development of sites. The situation is similar: clients are often unable to decide, capricious, begin "hotelki. No polls, but it happens. If work on the principle of "you - the head, I am - a fool", the site will never do.

Therefore, there are hard-earned scheme:
First, all the client's wishes are recorded in the technical task (the task for the artist). Ideally, if the customer will show which sites he likes to see that clings.
Then the work is constructed as follows:

In consideration of the customer consistently (not simultaneously!) Are provided to two or three versions of thumbnails.

The selected design is being finalized in accordance with the wishes of the customer in a mode of up to two sessions. This means that if you reject the first sketch, then to discuss it more by not returned and singer performs the second option, taking into account all the written wishes of the customer.

Under the new sketch can be written to two lists of specific observations (for example, increase the font, change background, etc.).

If the third sketch is not reached, then a further elaboration sketch done on a reimbursable basis under the additional agreement.

It is important to note right away that "died - so she died. If you do not like the first sketch, then go back to him more will not. Otherwise, there is a stupid situation: the result is like, performs the task, but the customer is curious, but that they can draw more.

It is important always to fix the claim and the wishes of the customer-specific designs to actually eliminate errors and misunderstandings. In short, if the customer is honest and focused on results (such as the majority), the artist often captures the idea if not the first, then the second try for sure.

[babochka]

Incidentally, I wrote the same to his employer. and I was answered (I translate): "Yes, I totally agree with you. first it was a matter of just somehow draw a wall, but now the authorities started to intervene in the design of the case and try to control the process. It is important that project was completed quickly. I ask you to make just a few of any options which are connected (such a) subject to your taste.
Probably all situations and are not listed, you just need to learn to control, or rather Allena.
Vladimir,

Сообщение от Vladimir

It is important to note right away that "died - so she died. If you do not like the first sketch, then go back to him more will not. Otherwise, there is a stupid situation: the result is like, performs the task, but the customer is curious, but that they can draw more.

 and I had a real situation! I submitted a further 2 options, and the customer back to the first option !
I wonder, can now do so? .. Once the opinions are so divided, do something "lighter" in terms of technical performance, to select my favorite version!

[Marta]

It is desirable at least to test customer for seriousness somebody speaks about pre-payment, even though the cost of materials.
  If a customer wants is you, then he would never argue.
  And if you will, it means that the risk is great that he just kidding, not ready to trust your good taste, experience and abilities - better and does not communicate (not to engage in self-deception).
   Especially if ordered, the work is not quite in line with the normal activity of the artist.

[babochka]

Marta, everything is already paid

[Vladimir]

Сообщение от babochka

I, incidentally, wrote the same to his employer. and I was answered (I translate): "Yes, I totally agree with you. first it was a matter of just somehow draw a wall, but now the authorities started to intervene in the design of the case and try to control the process. It is important that project was completed quickly. I ask you to make just a few of any options which are connected (such a) subject to your taste.

Here the main problem is that communication is a person who is not a decision, but at best their broadcasts and nothing gaantiruet. A bad option to go for direct communication. The contract, incidentally, prescribes the kind of people (name, phone, e-mail) are empowered to take decisions by agreement. Otherwise, get the "plot" as a floor polishers in the film Danelia (I Step Through Moscow).