Faberge?

[uriart]

Dear forum users!
Who owns the information on the work of Faberge ask for discussion.
Everyone knows that the firm was awarded "Supplier of the Imperial Court" in 1885, with the right branding of products by the State coat of arms (double eagle).
Name of owner of factory "FABERGE" for the SPB and "Faberge" under the eagle, for Moscow was written entirely always when possible to the surface area of the object which was put the stamp.
The question is this.
Frequently see silverware made in Russia with the stigma of "CYP", and the annual Moscow stamps since 1885.
Some antique dealers argue and try to convince me that this object was manufactured at the company "FABERGE", which I will never agree.
Get the title of "Supplier of Court" was a great honor!
I can not believe that such a famous company as "Faberge" ignored such dignity, put the stamp of the State Emblem near the owner's name.
The owner of the company ceases to brand their products with Gos.Gerba after receiving the right to it!
This is just nonsense!
In particular, show the subject of such stamps issued for the product of the famous company.
In reference Postnikova-Loseva have information about the owner of the studio silverware in Moscow:
Fendi (Fenton) Karl Franzevich, owned a shop (factory) silverware ,1883-1908gg. pattern marks in an oval shield with two letters "KF" without a point after the letter "K".
At I submitted the subject of the letter "K" is the point as to the hallmark for small items placed on products by Faberge.
Who has any views on this issue?
At I submitted the subject area for branding the full name of the owner of the factory is more than enough!

[eva777]

About stamp will not be able to say anything intelligible, but considering that all the products the company made only qualitatively, to the smallest items, I think that the presented object is not the work of Faberge. Very rough work.
And certainly, at this product not too lazy to put the full stamp, place is really enough.
IMHO, of course.

[Yaya]

There are very old Soviet TV series "The investigation leading experts. There was a series about how to fraudsters got the stamp of Faberge. They did work better than the great master, and branded them a real stamp. Forgery can be detected only after him.analiza. As far as I know, this movie was based on real events.

[манна]

Your object in mind is not like AF (my opinion)
  Dear me, "antiques dealer" said that the mark must be "Faberge"
  Intelligibly to lay out the marks on Join AF not just because for the entire period of work he was about 15 - 20 different brands.

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Сообщение от uriart

Name of owner of factory "FABERGE" for the SPB and "Faberge" under the eagle, for Moscow is always written in full when possible to the surface area of the object on which the stamp was put.

   True, only the early (last quarter of the 19.) Can be stamped, "K S", but the letters are larger and slightly podnaklonom.

Сообщение от uriart

I can not believe that such a famous company as "Faberge" ignored such dignity, put the stamp of the State Emblem near the owner's name

    This could be, but if the surface pzvolyaet, then necessarily "Faberge".

[uriart]

Сообщение от manna

This could be, but if the surface can then be "Faberge".

If it did not allow the surface, I would not put this question!

[манна]

Сообщение от uriart

Get the title of "Supplier of Court" was a great honor!
I can not believe that such a famous company as "Faberge" ignored such dignity, put the stamp of the State Emblem near the owner's name.

   It turns out that the neglected.
   Since in large type of your products could be the hallmarks:
   - Faberge with an eagle "
   - "Faberge" and the stamp of an eagle separately
   - Just "Faberge"
  And do the little "K S" c point or without her.

[uriart]

manna, meaning something in your letter, I could not find, though, and reread it several times!
You do not carefully read my letter.
1.Zvanie "suppliers of Court" was received in 1885.
This meant that a number of products the company or the holder's name was placed on top of State Emblem of Russia in the form of double-headed eagle. The surname is always written in full if you allow the surface area of the product.
I'm talking about the products produced in Moscow.
Can not put "Faberge" under the eagle since 1885!
This is contrary to all logic!
And that product, which I showed the photo has nothing to do with Faberge, so I was understandably very beginning.
Maybe someone knows the specific examples of the reverse?
Proved well-known experts?

[манна]

Сообщение от uriart

Can not put "Faberge" under the eagle since 1885!

   They could, though it is contrary to all logic!
   That you do not carefully read my answers.

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Today I have asked this question of the day his friend. It so happened that he had seen T. Muntean, it is confirmed. If you do not believe me, wait then when she peeped at the forum
    Best regards.

[uriart]

It turns out that put "CYP", without an eagle on the Moscow office.
Muntean is a strong expert and her opinion is not refuted.
Try to contact another expert, no less strong. What he told me?
Thank you!
Regards Yuriy

[Сталевар]

If there is a point after the letter "K", it is my opinion that the Faberge.
Moreover, the experts confirmed that the Faberge. Can only congratulate you.