The inscription in German?

[Евгений]

Oil on canvas 40h35sm. The inscription on the reverse side of the picture. Unknown hudozhnik.19 century.
I would be grateful for any help in translating the inscriptions.
Sincerely Eugene.

[sergejnowo]

the forum have specialists to work with photoshop. Ask the "clean" image.
The inscription is no verbs or adjectives. I think all this personal names.
Not necessarily German, possibly Italian.
What is confusing as written letters. The feeling that writing is not in Europe. In one word at the same time the printed letters and propyl, capital letters in atypical for Europe printed form "and" d ". In different words, "g" is written differently. A similar pattern when the signs say the German "Russian" fuflovy vanguard.: D

[Amateur]

Photoshop help!
The first line of "Antoinette von Diest"
The second line "Feb 37" or "Feb 57"
The third line "Gerome von Cardell"

By the way, about those names have something on the Internet. See http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Sear...amp;frompage=1

It says that Maria Antoinette von Diest and Friedrich von Cardell married in 1808. The portrait of a woman apparently did not give 65-70 years, therefore, second line should read as "Feb 37". And who is this "Gerome von Cardell" - possibly a son, a portrait of his mother in 1837

[Евгений]

Amateur, Thank you very much, if you need my help, please ...

[Allena]

Сообщение от Amateur

It says that Maria Antoinette von Diest and Friedrich von Cardell married in 1808.

Eugene, I think, judging by the images and labels that existed and the companion portrait. Maybe it should look?

[uriart]

Amateur, about Cardell disagree.
There is clearly readable Gachett

[Amateur]

Сообщение от uriart

Amateur, about Cardell not agree.
There is clearly readable Gachett

Let me explain the course of my thoughts when identifying words Cardell. The first letter can be read as C or G. But the first letter of standing in front of me and proposed the name Gerome (in the correct identification of the word I'm not entirely sure: let's say, 50%) can only be a G - see box above. But the tail from the first letter of the name is clearly not so - it almost and there, so that there is more likely the letter S. I think that on the second and third letter "a" and "r" no doubt about this. The letter "r" is written as a Russian "h", but even 30 years ago precisely because of the German language and encouraged to write. In the fourth letter to you, apparently confused by a vertical bar, and you read this letter as "h". In fact, this bar - a different color than the inscription itself, very little difference, but if you select in Photoshop it is color stroke (done via the option Replace color) and fill it, then we obtain what is shown in the figure. After sledana inscription on the back of the canvas with a strong surface relief. The true image, mingled with the shadows of this relief, and write something on such a surface without distortion is difficult. I identified this as a letter "d" in its handwritten XIX century - see box above. Concerning the fifth letter "e" we have no disagreement. You read the last two letters as "tt". But in the words of Diest, and in much worse surviving letters "t" in the word Antoinette perekladinka in "t" is extended to the right. This is most clearly seen in the word Diest (see box above), but the second "t" in the word Antoinette same broach perekladinki right too visible (the first "t" there remained poor, and probably guessed, than read). In the second letter the same in the analyzed word no perekladinki in general, and at first that something may be, and be seen, but with wire to the left. So the word Cardell, in my opinion, more likely than Gachett.

Further actions include: checking, and whether such Cardell, whether there is such a name at all? It turns out that he was: in particular, Friedrich Philipp von Cardell (1773 - 1834) - a famous Prussian general, the brother of an even more famous by General Carl von Cardelli. Moreover, it appears that this is the Friedrich Philipp von Cardell was none other than her husband depicted in the portrait of Antoinette von Dienst! And then the probability of identifying words Cardell becomes almost a certainty.

A relatively Gachett no such certainty. First, while we should not focus on just Gachett, but about "von Gachett". Every course, it happens, but in my opinion, the prefix von somehow does not blend with the surname Gachett, there would be more appropriate prefix de. And secondly, the Internet there is absolutely no information about the "von Gachett", although there you can find information on almost all aristocratic families of Europe.

Shall make a reservation, of course, confidence is never one hundred percent. For example, I'm not sure of the name Gerome. But as Albrecht Durer, wrote: "Let someone better than me, seeing my confusion, convincing to refute them in his future work. I look forward to it, for thereby will contribute to the discovery of the truth."

[Amateur]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

is it possible to compare the turnover of furniture and paintings on wood?

And why not? Both are made of wood, the conditions are the same.

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

A "boards Durer" wooden?
And how many of them-wood?
Do it now, it prints it with wooden planks?

Yes, basically, wooden (Holzschnitt). He had more iron and etching the board (not preserved), and the copper matrix for in-depth print. But Cyril, much of this you can not not know. Why question?

According to the publication of [Albrecht Dürer. "Sämtliche Holzschnitte". Berlin: Ausgabe der Deutschen Buchgesellschaft, 1938], there are 346. Now prints from Durer's original boards do not, they cherish, from 1880-ies. do only heliogravire. But, in principle, technically possible, like the original boards Altdorfer prints made back in 1930.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Amateur

And why not? Both are made of wood, the conditions are the same.

No, of course, not identical.

Сообщение от Amateur

Yes, mainly wood (Holzschnitt).

And I have until now believed that there were several Durer engravings on wood. Rest-etchings.

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now prints from the original boards Durer do not, they cherish;

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Boards Durer still remain, and how many tens of thousands of impressions from them was made during the time from the XVI to XX century ... Yes, and more can be done.

"Cherish" is you have correctly written. Cherish!

[Amateur]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

No, of course, not the same.

Yes? I do not see any difference. Do not trouble you to explain what the difference in the conditions of furniture in the rooms closed heated space and paintings hanging in those same areas on the walls?

In Durer total of six (6) etchings [Zvontsov VM, Shistko VI Etching. Technique. History. St. Petersburg: Izd. Aurora, 2004]. They are made in years 1515-1518, with the iron plate, the most famous of them - "Big Gun. While not yet opened the mixture of acids, capable of good corrodes copper. Later, Dürer etching away from, preferring incisal engraving on copper (possibly after getting acquainted with masterly engravings Lucas van Leyden), and favorite them holtsshnittu. Durer's etchings are extremely rare, because the iron boards are broken and rusting, so reprints excluded. I had not seen the proposals of etchings by Durer, and I think that their price is several tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. This, of course, is only about the lifetime originals, not copies of the later-heliogravire.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

I'm up to this moment thought that there were several Durer woodcuts. Rest-etchings.

It is also considered, and Marcantonio Raimondi, when copied Durer engravings, and to make his monogram and selling a work by Durer. Raimondi (himself a famous engraver and draftsman) believed that Durer cuts on copper, and did not think that such a filigree technique is possible at all on the tree. Such plagiarism Durer angered so much that he went to Italy and handed it to the court for Raimondi - the first in the history of the process of forging works of art! Durer won the case by proving that it is filled with engravings on wood, and Raimondi, make copies on copper.