|
Investing in Art Share your opinion about the profitability of investments. |
|
Опции темы | Опции просмотра |
10.05.2009, 00:14 | Язык оригинала: Русский #1 |
Авторитет
Регистрация: 25.10.2008
Адрес: Киев
Сообщений: 825
Спасибо: 1,587
Поблагодарили 2,452 раз(а) в 384 сообщениях
Записей в дневнике: 2
Репутация: 3846
|
Language Money
In an interesting article by Donald Kuspit "The value of art or the value of money", which today introduced the gans, asserts that "money has become more existentially significant than the art." Continuing the theme, bringing to your attention an essay by Boris Groys, treats even stronger statement: the money began to have greater versatility than God. Material not for the empiricists of the market and not for viewing on the diagonal, but it is useful to be familiar to all who seek understanding price paradoxes of modern art. Place it in the Yield, though its rightful place - is fundamental set of problems of art - in the section theoretical aspects of art. Alas, such a reason is still there. : ( Article touches on a number of issues that are actively debated at the forum. For everyone who is plagued by nightmares about Hirst and Gapchinskuyu, read at night. : p The text highlights some of the provisions that I found particularly impressive. Boris Groys Language of Money Language, which today is usually resorted society, when he wants to talk about himself - is the language of money. Money provides the internal unity of our world - a function previously performed by religion. The current social, political and cultural reality at first glance seems very splintered, fragmented, pluralistic. For there is no unifying tradition of the significant ideas of mandatory political projects.
Читать дальше...
|
Эти 15 пользователя(ей) сказали Спасибо Art-lover за это полезное сообщение: | AlexanderG (10.05.2009), Allena (06.10.2009), dedulya37 (10.05.2009), Drug (16.08.2009), gans (10.05.2009), LCR (10.05.2009), Nedogonov (10.05.2009), nikola (10.05.2009), qwerty (10.05.2009), Sandro (11.05.2009), Veronic (10.05.2009), voloviks (10.05.2009), Yaya (10.05.2009), Евгений (10.05.2009), Самвел (10.05.2009) |
10.05.2009, 01:32 | Язык оригинала: Русский #2 |
Гуру
Регистрация: 15.03.2009
Сообщений: 2,264
Спасибо: 1,961
Поблагодарили 3,561 раз(а) в 765 сообщениях
Записей в дневнике: 29
Репутация: 4950
|
Money won art.
Probably not won, but rather did not let escape. It is hard to find a period in history when the art would not be subject to money.
An attempt to escape was made, in my opinion, just "classical avant-garde." This attempt was to entirely new forms and the extreme opposition of art to society of consumption, and has been successfully suppressed by force, perhaps, a slightly different scale than art. That positioned as an extreme underground, became available only to the richest. Of course, art has a certain freedom (here you can theorize endlessly), which still remains rather arbitrary. |
Эти 11 пользователя(ей) сказали Спасибо gans за это полезное сообщение: |
10.05.2009, 12:07 | Язык оригинала: Русский #3 |
Гуру
Регистрация: 29.04.2008
Адрес: Париж
Сообщений: 6,211
Спасибо: 18,677
Поблагодарили 38,258 раз(а) в 5,446 сообщениях
Репутация: 29878
|
Interesting article, witty and paradoxical. However, the analysis Groys - at least in part, that describes the modern artist - can be applied only to certain parts of modern art (it's an expression I use is not in the sense of "Contemporary Art", but in the sense of "art, which is nowadays "), which is understandable: Groys first man clan.
And if certain events in the art world confirm the theory Groys, others, not less numerous - refute it. Anyway, nice to see that Groys took up what he really knows how to do - indulge in scholasticism, using art as merely a pretext for his brilliant, arbitrarnyh and sterile theories (even if he himself would never agree with this definition). Sami things he is not interested - it seems that he simply did not see, apparently, that's why he prefers art, which can be described by mobile phone. In the words of his friend, the artist "to truly understand a work means to buy it - and not write about it," boiling optimism, I would have responded much less triumphant "to truly understand a work means to write it" (my spleen today ). |
Эти 11 пользователя(ей) сказали Спасибо LCR за это полезное сообщение: |
11.05.2009, 10:58 | Язык оригинала: Русский #4 |
Гуру
Регистрация: 29.10.2008
Адрес: Киев
Сообщений: 1,514
Спасибо: 891
Поблагодарили 1,308 раз(а) в 415 сообщениях
Записей в дневнике: 12
Репутация: 7048
|
I would like to note that the article Groys, of course, produces a more complete experience than paper Kuspit. It is much more intelligently written. But I absolutely agree with LCR is that "things themselves sometimes the author is not interested - it seems that he simply did not see." For example, he wrote:
«Consequently, in such individual works of art valued not for their popularity in the free market, but on the contrary, their content is closed, inaccessible," difficulty ". It is the failure of the free market, accessible to the general public, in this case leads to the recognition and appreciation at a closed market for the initiated. If artwork is too well received in the free market, its price in the market for connoisseurs falls. Success in one market leads to failure in another market - and vice versa. And this means that the single market does not exist ». Strangely enough, that such a man as Groys not know (or do not want to know) that the way out, which it seems hopeless, the art market found: the price pyramid. Its with great success using the infamous Hurst, do not be a night to remember. You have no money for canvas up to 1 million (premium segment), buy a brand name "Damien X." for 500 bucks a piece from the wall of the cafe "Pharmacy" (which he created and, incidentally, stock which sold like hot cakes) - here's a low-segment. AX popular among teens (general public) who go on his show, and among the oligarchs ( "on"), which also go to them. There are sales and medium-segment. Good marketers have made sure that in our time every death could have a piece of the great (in quotes, or without them) brand. Price pyramid using almost all the great luxury-brands. It is noteworthy that the demand is observed in all segments. The principle works like this: you do not have much money to buy a lot of work much of the author (brand), the author makes so that you have had the opportunity to buy something much cheaper, what is involved to a great author (brand). Not the least role in this reception is extension line. The law of marketing: the greater range of goods (services) do you suggest, the higher your earnings. Therefore, (including) in the gallery already mentioned at the forum Gapchinskoy sold beauticians. So comrade. Groys can sleep peacefully: rumors that the single market does not exist, somewhat exaggerated. Although the fact that he speaks about national allegiances, is difficult to argue with him: the Chinese are unlikely to buy Aivazovsky (even though Europeans and Americans have already started to buy "Chinese"). Aivazovsky - a regional brand. But there are also global, to whom "national clause" not applicable. Regarding the fact that: "When an artist and critic now do this or that aesthetic choice, then at the same time they choose a market in which this choice can have economic opportunities". There was no market "canned" animals, as long as long as Hearst did not begin to do them. Innovation is precisely in the output of new, unusual, unexpected sphere /plane. I do not think that when Hirst made his first shark, he is calculating, who will be able to sell it (if she thought for sure this might seem absurd even to him). Rather, he simply was interesting to see what happens. |
11.05.2009, 11:08 | Язык оригинала: Русский #5 | |
Гуру
Регистрация: 26.07.2008
Адрес: РФ, Самара
Сообщений: 74,944
Спасибо: 27,789
Поблагодарили 55,134 раз(а) в 24,142 сообщениях
Записей в дневнике: 133
Репутация: 102194
|
Цитата:
Dishes Malevich, Suetina, Leporskii ... Looking for, inter alia, a bottle in the form of ice blocks with a polar bear for the famous cologne "North", made on the design of Malevich, table lamp, on the design of Rodchenko. |
|
11.05.2009, 12:26 | Язык оригинала: Русский #6 |
Бывалый
Регистрация: 08.02.2009
Сообщений: 250
Спасибо: 240
Поблагодарили 284 раз(а) в 90 сообщениях
Репутация: 0
|
Art-swill for Dummies
I think that Groys that Kaspet - just arguer (see!). The difference between them only in that Kaspet notes and Groys - "preaching". Yes, so enthusiastically that he drags from his heresy.
In practice, except for attempts to manipulate the consciousness of uncritically minded people and verbal gymnastics, their "works" does not contain any ideas. That is, none at all. Emptiness. Vacuum ... Explain why many sheets that control the money market? Why should this money to assign some sort of mystical essence, animating them? The money - only the agent of someone's will. And "someone" has a last name, first name and patronymic. From this perspective, analyze the art market, like any market, much easier. Not so interesting, of course, how to blow esoteric - a mystical haze, diluted provocative religious excursions (Groys). But very effective. This applies both to the local art and cultural projects, and to the global. Simply, different amounts of money involved in the process. At planetary scale, the same cultural policy defines one who dengopechatnym owns the machine. In small-town - is the many curators, kuratorishki and other unscrupulous people "of art. They do not stop at nothing in their desire podlezt closer to the trough, saturate through the machine. This is a normal process of commodity-money circulation, rulimy market-makers and having absolutely nothing to do with culture or the arts, as tuzhatsya not prove Groys with Kaspetami. There is much more than ideology and politics than the actual market. The objective - the creation of a "cultural paradigm", in which the concept of art, and it elevates the role of the fully diluted, and the consolidation of this "new religion" in our minds. Then the art can be called at any swill and assign it a monetary denomination. That is what they generate meanings. Same category of people, shake a leg at the trough, will be able to consider themselves not only dealers, and aesthetes, and more ... |
Эти 4 пользователя(ей) сказали Спасибо Nedogonov за это полезное сообщение: |
06.10.2009, 13:01 | Язык оригинала: Русский #7 |
Гуру
Регистрация: 07.09.2008
Сообщений: 2,275
Спасибо: 2,232
Поблагодарили 1,366 раз(а) в 551 сообщениях
Записей в дневнике: 39
Репутация: 2484
|
Nedogonov - spasibo! Dovol'no chiotko i iasno.
Hochu dobavit ', a mozet povtorit'sia. Kraha na art rynke ne budet. V ekonomicheskoi srede art sam po sebe, iavliaetsia lish 'sredstvom marketinga, naprimer barochnyi period byl periodom marketinga katolicheskoi tserkvi itd. Predstaviv sebe piramidu art industrii s iskusstvom, kak ee verhushkoi, a zavodami i fabrikami himicheskoi, tekstil'noi, derevoobrabatyvaiuschei promyshlennostei, uchebnye zavedeniia, reklamnye agenstva, pechatniki itd, itp, v osnovanii, mozno ne volnovat'sia o krahe art rynka. Liudi sposobnye proinvestirovat 'serioznye den'gi v svoiu kollektsiiu, znaiut, kak etu investitsiiu zaschishat'.
__________________
www.anmedicalrecruitment.com.au |
Этот пользователь сказал Спасибо AlexanderG за это полезное сообщение: | Allena (06.10.2009) |
12.10.2009, 03:04 | Язык оригинала: Русский #8 |
Модератор раздела "Иконы"
Регистрация: 19.09.2009
Сообщений: 2,931
Спасибо: 4,614
Поблагодарили 3,866 раз(а) в 1,913 сообщениях
Репутация: 7677
|
I do not know, I do not know .. I will say as a reactionary and retrograde from art, I think the collapse of the market sales of assorted avangardistoff-suprematistoff-futuristoff (or as they are there?) Type Warhol or Malevich would have been quite logical and zakonomeren.Eti vydumyvateli "new meanings "just crooks, charlatans from iskusstva.Pri support expert verbiage, to establish a noise, like the authors of two articles under discussion.
|
12.10.2009, 07:49 | Язык оригинала: Русский #9 | |
Гуру
Регистрация: 26.07.2008
Адрес: РФ, Самара
Сообщений: 74,944
Спасибо: 27,789
Поблагодарили 55,134 раз(а) в 24,142 сообщениях
Записей в дневнике: 133
Репутация: 102194
|
Цитата:
Someone bought for $ 60 million Malevich, and then ran the auction-dump "Take it for what datite "...? Warhol at the market there, but Malevich was observed. It is this pattern, I agree. And much about the "crash", I do not think it is not millions of shares, went through the Internet and bought a half-hour, sold ... market-that is, but it does not buy everything you can. |
|
Этот пользователь сказал Спасибо Кирилл Сызранский за это полезное сообщение: | AlexanderG (12.10.2009) |
13.10.2009, 02:27 | Язык оригинала: Русский #10 |
Модератор раздела "Иконы"
Регистрация: 19.09.2009
Сообщений: 2,931
Спасибо: 4,614
Поблагодарили 3,866 раз(а) в 1,913 сообщениях
Репутация: 7677
|
I reasoned, as an amateur (I have them and I am in-painting). But here in one of the neighbors concerns were long articles on auction sales, in particular, there was osveshen a time: about 20 years ago, the rise of the Japanese economy, many wealthy Japanese and entire corporations suddenly decided vlozhitsya.I not somewhere else, but in modern Western iskusstvo.Populyarnye and most expensive time artists now somehow lost and their pictures are not worth perhaps a tenth of what was paid for naive samurai (some pictures were worth millions and tens of millions of dollars). I understand that the Japanese will not run now on the market throw off everything for 10%. But objectively speaking, the picture strongly podesheveli.Razve not? : shy:
|
|
|
Похожие темы | ||||
Тема | Автор | Разделы | Ответов | Последние сообщения |
Donald Caspian. The value of art or the value of money | gans | Investing in Art | 1 | 08.10.2009 09:14 |
The exhibition "The language of form," gallery "Eritazh, photo report | Vladimir | In pictures | 17 | 31.07.2009 23:51 |
Metropolitan Opera in search of money laid two panels of Marc Chagall | Marina56 | Art Kaleidoscope | 8 | 04.03.2009 23:50 |