"Meeting .." Need help in the evaluation of paintings

[Oldmaps]

Need help in the evaluation of the painting:

see the size of the picture 51h40

[Jane Doe]

Charlemagne and the meeting at the golden gates.


Charlemagne and the Meeting at the Golden Gate


about 1500, Master of Moulins (Jean Hey)



The original is in the National Gallery in London.


You, Oldmaps, most likely a fake-compilation.
Hence it is necessary to begin with the assessment of the picture.

[Oldmaps]

Is it possible for the pictures shown, determine the approximate age and value?

[Solovlad]

As I can imagine painting of the 19th century, not a remake, as I see it.
From SW.

[khmelev]

this is called a "pastiche".

[Oldmaps]

Thanks for the definition of the category .
(Yes, Jean Hay Charlemagne is located to the right of Joachim and Anna , facing the central part of the triptych - the Mother of God ,
but in this picture he is left of them)
In English this category sounds like "after Jean Hey".
That is, categories such as:
The counterfeit
- compilation
- based
excluded - right?

And once again I would venture to raise the issue of evaluation in the image (you can with a large range )

[Jane Doe]

Сообщение от Oldmaps; 2712541 "

And once again venture to raise the issue of evaluation in the image (you can with a large range )

At the moment, the cost can not exceed 1750 dollars. It was for many it was bought at auction Jackson's in America, exactly 2 months ago. And the bidding starts from $ 600. You are the proud owner of this picture? Otherwise, why ask the question about the cost ?

Сообщение от khmelev; 2712351"

is called a " pastiche " .

If we are in French , I still think that it is called contrefaçon. Why pull out pieces and rearrange them around ? This is not just a copy , it is deliberately designed to deceive the ignorant compilation .
In short, the money thrown away .

If you look at the catalog of this auction, then the set of lots before and after the lot was 497 copies ("After") of the great masters , realized for ridiculous money.
http://www.jacksonsauction.com/catal...13catDay1.aspx

[Игорь Гурьев]

Yeah, looks like the middle of the 19th century.

[Jane Doe]

Сообщение от Oldmaps; 2712541 "

In this category of English sounds like "after Jean Hey".
That is, categories such as:
The counterfeit
- compilation
- based
excluded - right ?

No , Oldmaps, is not correct. Based on is almost the same as After. This is not a fundamental difference in this situation.

Here you would have bought the picture, if it was written that it "Forgery" or "Compilation"? I think not . Therefore, the same fake Compilation ( 19th or 20th century - is not printsipionalno ) auction house , insuring themselves , presented as "After". That's found a buyer looking for now, " balm on the wounds ."
My opinion is that after the publication of this topic here , no cost , no chance to resell or even get your money back for the picture is not increased , but rather decreased .

You've come to the forum hoping that this priceless masterpiece ? No, far from it . Yes, and the famed auction sales of many imitations, in particular pieces of Russian art.

[redbor]

Сообщение от Oldmaps; 2712541 "

yes, Jean Hay Charlemagne is located to the right of Joachim and Anna , facing the central part of the triptych - the Mother of God ,
but in this picture he is left of them

Yes , an unsuccessful compilation, sv.Karla badly positioned . <! - ~ 10 ~ ->
It's been part of the altar in the Cathedral of the Virgin g.Mulen .
And on the " copy " turned out: Joachim and Anna kiss, and Carl , like, too, wants and Joachim repellent. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->