Grigoriev, drawing

[Konstantin]

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Seen in a private collection in a respectable lady figure Boris Grigoriev, "Portrait of a Girl" (1917) By all indications, the picture is authentic. Arguments painting belonged to her late husband lady. The lady herself told me that when she married in 1980, this picture of her husband was. However, the explanation of how she got it, some obscure. Type somewhere bought for the occasion. It is hard to imagine that in the Soviet era, when the situation was quite different, someone decided to copy the pattern. First, Grigoriev at the time was not promoted, and secondly if you really copy, the full picture, and certainly not the picture.
Placed in the drawing itself estampnuyu frame with metal rim (these were common in the Soviet Union.)
Imagine my surprise when I saw the picture on the website of the Russian Museum, the exhibition "Water color and drawing early. 20th century."
And the question is: How can this be? Where a copy, and where the original? (The lady is not exactly a copy, sign, code code. Yellowed paper - my intuition. That it is original, but it turns out. That the Russian Museum - a copy???)

[khmelev]

No story of more woe , than the story of some subjects from modern museum of history ...
Even if it was the substitution of the museum had never been recognized.
A few years ago there was a similar story with pictures Filonov, which were stolen at the time Potashinskim . Some of the stolen back to the pump, and some - because it was not capitalized in the timing , as it should - is not considered stolen . Its as if there were none.
When these pictures were taken in good faith purchasers in the timing , the museum does not recognize the true , saying that timing is not be Filonov. Filonov all they have.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

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[Jane Doe]

Colleagues.

And what is there to discuss the picture , if there is shown an original drawing by Boris Grigoriev from " race" as " Girl", 1917 ?

http://www.rusmuseum.ru/eng/exhib/le...olors/photos1/

To discuss the photo pasted from the site www.artpoisk.info, but not of the " collection of the late husband of one respectable lady ."

Photos will be on the wall , it is possible to discuss the issue .

[Владимир Владимирович]

Сообщение от khmelev

Even if it was the substitution of the museum had never been recognized.

And if it was the author's repetition.
One in the museum, and the other in the ladies.

[Балагур]

http://archive.gelos.ru/2007/may/18.05/art.shtml

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[belmar]

Hello, this is likely to list the folder facsimile reproductions.

[Балагур]

Сообщение от Vladimir Vladimirovich

And if it was the author's repetition.
One in the museum, and the other in the ladies.

They all look like - one to one.
It looks like all the pictures of the same image.

[Glasha]

Сообщение от Vladimir Vladimirovich , 2559081"

And if it was the author's repetition. One in the museum , and the other in the ladies .

Material performance ( charcoal ) and the way the figure is such that would never make it - at least , and copyright - the repetition of one to one.
Therefore it is not a problem to determine the original coal from some way to recreate.
(so to recognize , do not accept , but the fact that everything in its place ).

[khmelev]

unknown not only to a single "author repetition", but even the original version of Grigor'ev things.

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" To discuss the pasted image from the website www.artpoisk.info, but not of the" collection of the late husband of one respectable lady . "

Interestingly this site " Artpoisk ."
The page on the reason there is a full-fledged Grigoriev Petrov- Vodkin - " Portrait of a Woman " on page 5. It seems that this Lyubov Kozintsev.
But on page 4 is even more interesting - the picture "Girls" , dated 1917 year. This is just a full-fledged clone. They tried to sell at auction , organized by immuschestv . But no one bought
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