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Старый 23.09.2012, 12:48 Язык оригинала: Русский       #1
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По умолчанию Trush and Kurash (Ivana, of course).

About "two Smith" immediately recalled the famous patter. Maybe not everyone has heard:

Three of Peter and two of Ivan
Ivan two, three Peter
Woke up early in the morning
And herachili the morning.

And envied them drunk
Two Ivans, three Petri,
Petrie, and three two Ivans
Black envy Abram.

Well, nothing, every dog ​​has his day, and I will fall Abram (Manevich course and Russian period).
In the meantime, what is - two of Ivan ...

I must honestly admit that if in matters relating to the domestic arts have very extensive experience (mostly - bad experience with acquisitions), even in the Ukrainian art not know anything about nothing!

Trush about here, I remember, was a topic of which I realized that his fake all the time. This quite small (cardboard 17h12), but very high quality, by the way, reminds Pohitonova not only in size!
Just think of the size of the work to forge Trush unlike Pohitonova be somewhat profitable.
Another suspect, having got it, say, for 1,000 euros (the price issue is still open), has experienced considerable difficulties when trying to make money, despite the presence of quite decent sales in the database.
In short, we would like to hear opinions (preferably more or less responsible) primarily on the value of the thing, and if someone a specific interest, let me know.

About Cyrus found is so small that some level of the price, as I understand it, is not there. Russian search returned nothing (or rather, all the information, if it is hopelessly buried in a sea of ​​links about the "Uzbek kurash"). English-language Google something outstanding, but also not a lot.
Here I will be grateful for any information about the artist and, mainly, for the council, which would be the thing at the right price to attach.
The author, though clearly in Sverchkova and not trained in the process of creation of the work was apparently "in the spirit": the dynamics of movement in gallop horses asses handed gangbusters!
Size of about 50x40, no less. Oil on wood or plywood.
Inclined to give up cheap ...
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Старый 23.09.2012, 13:14 Язык оригинала: Русский       #2
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Trush not like Trush.

And second do not know.



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Старый 23.09.2012, 13:50 Язык оригинала: Русский       #3
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Not exactly Trush.



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Старый 24.09.2012, 17:46 Язык оригинала: Русский       #4
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Сообщение от Molevich; 2271421"
Just do not Trush.
Alas, is forced to join. No rubbing.
As to the second work: I personally, for 35 years of work with the artist's name IKA not caught once. And so what only antiques poor dilettante nor met - remember scary. Sometimes the entire zhist one - two pictures written, and burned goryachaschih of binge drinks. Or, again, say - for the first time exposed, immediately set off the mind from joy, but in sorrowful house and disappeared. Or this: he wrote "Zimka" - wrote, and then took, and took the artist at Sevastopol soap factory Mr. Kharchenko. Later in life, decorated wrappers for soap "Keel", drank again, bitter, and the history of the national art was irrevocably lost ... And again, some traces always managed to dig up.
And then - nothing at all. That, however, and no wonder. Painfully presented scary picture. Well - riders kosopuzye, but - horses! (A friend of mine calls these pictures "za.bis - about the war").
In connection with the above, let me ask: which means that the aforesaid Kurash studied with N.E.Sverchkova? Crickets, of course, gave lessons lovers, and not all of his students were in the top of his head to kiss the Lord ... (Take, for example, Vol. Amilakhvari and another couple - three tetenek). But really draw something they could definitely! Zhukovsky as a teacher ohulki something on hand laid not down, and denyuzhki honestly fulfilled, for much needed (fathers and children ponimash ...)
Thanks for reading. Sorry for your attention.

Added after 5 minutes
Oh-e-oh, Well you wrote "not to teach," and I ran off the bat to defend cherished memory N.E.Sverchkova.
So the last paragraph of my epistles - in the oven!
(After the first three ...)




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Старый 24.09.2012, 18:06 Язык оригинала: Русский       #5
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Alas, is forced to join. No rubbing.
As to the second work: I personally, for 35 years of work with the artist's name IKA not caught once. And so what only antiques poor dilettante nor met - remember scary. Sometimes the entire zhist one - two pictures written, and burned goryachaschih of binge drinks. Or, again, say - for the first time exposed, immediately set off the mind from joy, but in sorrowful house and disappeared. Or this: he wrote "Zimka" - wrote, and then took, and took the artist at Sevastopol soap factory Mr. Kharchenko. Later in life, decorated wrappers for soap "Keel", drank again, bitter, and the history of the national art was irrevocably lost ... And again, some traces always managed to dig up.
And then - nothing at all. That, however, and no wonder. Painfully presented scary picture. Well - riders kosopuzye, but - horses! (A friend of mine calls these pictures "za.bis - about the war").
In connection with the above, let me ask: which means that the aforesaid Kurash studied with N.E.Sverchkova? Crickets, of course, gave lessons lovers, and not all of his students were in the top of his head to kiss the Lord ... (Take, for example, Vol. Amilakhvari and another couple - three tetenek). But really draw something they could definitely! Zhukovsky as a teacher ohulki something on hand laid not down, and denyuzhki honestly fulfilled, for much needed (fathers and children ponimash ...)
Thanks for reading. Sorry for your attention.

Added after 5 minutes
Oh-e-oh, Well you wrote "not to teach," and I ran off the bat
N.E.Sverchkova protect cherished memory. So the last paragraph of my epistles - in the oven! (After the first three ...)

Maybe this is not IKA IKA, and Ukrainian impressionist painter Ivan Stepanovich chickens, born in Lviv in 1909g.i who died in 1968. in Zurich.



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Старый 24.09.2012, 18:23 Язык оригинала: Русский       #6
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Kurash why when you have read Kurach? <- ~ 3 ~ ->
Here's something from the depths of the Internet:
Apparently, it's the same, Ivan Kurach (1909 - 1968).
Artist. not an artist, but something drew the network has its work (necessary?)
 And traded a lot, (one thousand, or even two) for example
http://www.arcadja.com/auctions/en/k...artist/432469/
or http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/7119545
and even - on the cover of the book - his drawing.
 
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90-year-old Turin Chaplain Don Ruffino Italian was in Russia with Division "Torino" for three months, but the little time that was probably the biggest of his life. On the cover of the book "BIANCO ROSSO E GRIGIOVERDE" diarist put a picture of the front of his friend, Ivan Kurach, a native of Lviv, who emigrated to Italy. Kurach more afraid of bondage, because I was sure that he would be shot immediately, Red as a traitor, despite the Italian citizenship. God spared me, and Kurach Ruffino, who arrived at the time of the defeat of the Don army, were ordered to return ...
 And, of course, on the ARTNeT it is easy to find
Judging from the pictures, this is the Ukrainian Italian - Kurach is.
 Now, while typing, dear artman, supported in brief.
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Старый 24.09.2012, 18:46 Язык оригинала: Русский       #7
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Like it .... http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Курах_Іван_Степанович



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Старый 24.09.2012, 21:44 Язык оригинала: Русский       #8
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Thanks to all who helped to avoid temptation : Trush (or " Trush ") sold well without me.

Is still the owner of Ivan ( as it turned out ) - chickens.
As they say, "Ukraine May Talent "
Glad to see in our dear amateurs (I will be happy to double if your post assist this return ).
Still, bungler




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Старый 24.09.2012, 22:07 Язык оригинала: Русский       #9
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Glad to see in our dear amateurs (I will be happy to double if your post assist this return).
Mercy-with.
Good word - and it is the smallest zhivotinku nice ...



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Старый 24.09.2012, 22:16 Язык оригинала: Русский       #10
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I'm sorry, accidentally hit on the button, the previous message sent ahead of time.

Thanks to all who helped to avoid temptation: Trush (or "Trush") today successfully sold without my participation.

Is still the owner of Ivan (as it turned out) - chickens.
As they say, "Ukraine May Talent"
Glad to see in our dear amateurs (I will be happy to double if your post assist this return).
Still, bungler I would not call this artist. Impressionism - the sort of thing ...
Slightly fearing for his memory, I would say that 12 or 15 years ago I had had Malyavinskie riders that look just like the picture color and mise en scene, the reduced redbor. And remember that, despite the presence of the native nameplate seller, terribly embarrassed, told me that this is, of course, is not exactly Malyavin, however, the picture is good and, risking a couple of thousand euros (which I did not fail to do) clearly the right decision.
If you spend the time and find the thing in the old film photos, be sure to lay out here.

We need to think a little bit, can be stir up the theme of the good artists, that no one knows and which are not in the database at the prices. I remember always surprised that I can not find any basis of unknown quality foreigners and suddenly realized that we had no less than just good forgotten artists (maybe killed at the front, or perished in the camps), but good enough that, despite the absence of all databases, to pay for their stuff a six-figure sum in the currency of wanting syschetsya lot.
For example it is enough to take the beginning of the thirties and slightly go beyond certain limits "Pimenov-Deineka-Samokhvalov."



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