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[Spike]

Dear experts, ask for help in determining authorship and the value of paintings.

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Сообщение от Spike; 2141151"

Dear experts , ask for help in determining authorship and the value of paintings.

It seems to me that the first ( A.Orlovsky ? ) And the second (Rylov ?) Works makes sense to apply to the organization in peer . Or - to a good private providers . There is not enough visual analysis . (Well , unless the first picture is not an exact copy of an unknown to me personally A.O.Orlovskogo pastels ). Of course, at first glance, a more accurate picture , and Orlovsky , and the horses worked more gracefully . But - God knows , maybe these " Circassians " of the artist , too?

[Spike]

Сообщение от dabbler

I think that with the first ( A.Orlovsky ? ) And the second (Rylov ?) It makes sense to work in peer to contact the organization. Or - to a good private providers . There is not enough visual analysis . (Well , unless the first picture is not an exact copy of an unknown to me personally A.O.Orlovskogo pastels ). Of course, at first glance, a more accurate picture , and Orlovsky , and the horses worked more gracefully . But - God knows , maybe these " Circassians " the artist visited ?

Amateur, Thank you very useful information !
All is well , the first bed of Alexander Orlovsky Osipovich (1777-1832) , the second picture Rylov Arkady (1870-1939) , the picture is signed but the signature does not have time to take a picture .
Both papers attributed to the familiar to the gallery to determine authorship and approximate prices.
I'd love to hear the views of experts on the forum about the possible costs of these works.

[Игорь Гурьев]

Orlovsky is often copied in the 19th century .

Rylov, as I understand , was not such a " brand " - the "trend " - " memes " by the artist , his sketches to someone copied for sale.
Especially imitated his style (which is quite difficult ).

Perhaps this is just Rylov .
This is average , but with a composition of collapsing , but rylovskoy scale.

( Something is not the first time this tag is about the exhibition from private collections in the Lviv Art Gallery. Compare this with the tag that was on Makovsky , who recently exhibited here at the forum ).

[Spike]

Сообщение от Guriev, Igor

Orlovsky is often copied in the 19th century.

Rylov, as I understand, was not such a "brand" - the "trend" - "memes" by the artist, his sketches to someone copied for sale.
Especially imitated his style (which is quite difficult).

Perhaps this is just Rylov.
This is average, but with a composition of collapsing, but rylovskoy scale.

(Something is not the first time this tag is about the exhibition from private collections in the Lviv Art Gallery. Compare this with the tag that was on Makovsky, who recently exhibited here at the forum).

Guriev, Igor, thank you for your reply! Once forged - so was the demand and popularity. It remains to define the approximate estimated cost and take the examination.

The picture is not Rylova in very good condition, as shown in the photo, but for her I already offer conferencing in PM - $ 5 thousand ...

Tag Lviv Art Gallery present in almost all the pictures I have shared on this forum, Trush, Matejko, Makovsky, etc, I have them laid out under the name Alisa2000. All these paintings were bought by my grandfather in Lviv during the period from 1947 - 1958, so there is nothing strange here.

Please share your thoughts about the price of these pictures!

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Spike

picture Rylova not in very good condition, as shown in the photo, but for her I already offer conferencing in PM - $ 5 thousand ...

June 2 at the auction of the Russian auction house exhibited Rylova 3 things, look at the estimate.

One thing the 38-year, incidentally, was sold for half a lemon - x /m, 38x50, just like yours.
<! - ~ 1 ~ ->

[Spike]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

June 2 at the auction of the Russian auction house exhibited Rylova 3 things , look at the estimate.
One thing the 38- year , incidentally, was sold for half a lemon - x /m , 38x50, just like yours. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

Thank you very much pleased posmotrel.Estimeyty ) Picture at the moment I can not lay out , but the painting is signed and Rylova year - also in 1938 .
I think we ought to do the restoration and be up for auction.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Spike

in the picture Rylova a signature and the year - also in 1938.

Yes, your late - you can see, this "dark", as his later stuff.

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Сообщение от Guriev , Igor ; 2142571"

Compare this with the tag that was on Makovsky , who recently exhibited here at the forum ).

And the wonderful watercolors Semiradsky . Good to see, the show was . And Meetings - decent . And the thing - excellent.

Сообщение от Guriev , Igor ; 2142571"

Orlovsky is often copied in the 19th century .

I do not think pastels A.O.Orlovskogo so often copied . Yes, and right from his own signature. Of course, the thing is not dyuzhe strong, but me personally , it does not cause a large protest . Were in SA of the more successful have been - at least . But like the Circassians - just there . And also - with the obvious irregularities in the proportions . For example , a pastel of the Collected Works . Timing (before - Alexander Palace . I apologize that it has deployed a bit )
However, the period - not mine. Is there a different spec on ​​the Russian chart, including - and the first quarter of the XIX century. Maybe in the Orel and lure <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
Rylov most likely authentic. Well, I think so ...

[EvgeniyMarkov]

Сообщение от dabbler

And on a beautiful watercolor Semiradsky . Good to see, the show was . And Meetings - decent . And the thing - excellent.

I do not think pastels A.O.Orlovskogo so often copied . Yes, and right from his own signature. Of course, the thing is not dyuzhe strong, but me personally , it does not cause a large protest . Were in SA of the more successful have been - at least . But like the Circassians - just there . And also - with the obvious irregularities in the proportions .

An exhibition from private collections in the Lviv Art Gallery was really good , the Soviet authorities tried to rethink the bourgeois artists to the public ...

I think that still a good chance that the Circassians hands Orlovsky SA It is known that a great number of his drawings and sketches a very mediocre quality.
That's lithographs he tried ...

And how he loved to depict the horse 's mouth open ...
An example of the Kaluga Regional Museum