Contemporary artists and museums: the record

[Seriy]

Under such a complicated name I would have wanted to touch on a delicate topic that everyone knows but rarely speak.
 In the CV of a living artist is important to mention all sorts of museums - private, municipal, regional, state and world in which stored its work.
 How can I verify this information? and how to understand this information?
 Several recent cases in which I tried to check on the discovery site of the museum world by his search for the artist's name, mentioning that the collection of this museum is its work resulted in a response-not in the list, an artist museum does not know.
I am not sure that the artist is all misinformed. Rather, the meaning of the phrase - work is in museum collections - may have a different filling.
 At a forum of experienced collectors and museum professionals, can they kindly give an explanation?
  Here the artist gave the museum work, whether it is the inclusion in the collection? or such work was not considered a collection? It always takes the work of the museum as a gift?
That museum has handed over its facilities for commercial exhibition. And the artist writes, Tretyakov Gallery, evaluated and held an exhibition. That is, if the show was a commercial, does the artist the right to use the name of the museum?

 Grateful for any suggestions and explanations.

[Us-tin]

Thanks for the interesting topic ...
Interesting and relevant ...
With pleasure I'll follow the discussion ...
How to define the boundary between PRom and reality ...

[artcol]

Сообщение от Seriy

Under such a complicated name I would have wanted to touch on a delicate topic that everyone knows but rarely speak.
 In the CV of a living artist is important to mention all sorts of museums - private, municipal, regional, state and world in which stored its work.
 How can I verify this information? and how to understand this information?
 Several recent cases in which I tried to check on the discovery site of the museum world by his search for the artist's name, mentioning that the collection of this museum is its work resulted in a response-not in the list, an artist museum does not know.
I am not sure that the artist is all misinformed. Rather, the meaning of the phrase - work is in museum collections - may have a different filling.
 At a forum of experienced collectors and museum professionals, can they kindly give an explanation?
  Here the artist gave the museum work, whether it is the inclusion in the collection? or such work was not considered a collection? It always takes the work of the museum as a gift?
That museum has handed over its facilities for commercial exhibition. And the artist writes, Tretyakov Gallery, evaluated and held an exhibition. That is, if the show was a commercial, does the artist the right to use the name of the museum?

 Grateful for any suggestions and explanations.

I do not have collections of museums, there are funds and a permanent exhibition.

[Seriy]

artcol, I do not quite understand what you said .. now take the Guggenheim recently mentioned on his website has a section Collection, is the concept of On View - EM in the exhibition. THEOREM work may be in the collection, but not on display in the museum.
Or do you want to say that for the Russian Museum Collection of the word should be replaced by the Foundation? This is the official term? but I never read in the CV - is included in the Museum fund, always-included in the collection.

[Сима]

Сообщение от Seriy

Here is the artist gave the museum work, whether it is the inclusion in the collection? or such work was not considered a collection? It always takes the work of the museum as a gift?

Seriy, the last question the most important. "Does the museum takes ..." - No, not always: the thing can be 1. no museum level, 2. not correspond to the concept of the museum or its subject, and clearly that will not be used in exhibitions
3. a lot of other random factors - there is no place for storage, for example, intrigue some. Although the lack of storage space - is a factor of the system.
I was faced with donation, which was the motivation is the desire to put his picture in the museum for reasons of prestige. Most often, such things do not pull on the level, but the authors - sometimes very resourceful people - tried to pressure from outside, or "interest" that he considered the decision makers.

But if the gift received, recorded in the Book of income "(which is one for purchases and for gifts), then gave a number, then, of course, it is in the collection. Even if its for some reason - or for material quality or state of preservation - not included in this book, you are obliged to include in another - scientific support fund. But it is still considered as part of the collection. I might add that in the museums of our decision is formally taken collectively. A donor receives the documents - an act of admission to the museum and gratitude on the letterhead on behalf of the Director. Ie always able to prove any line of his CV. About foreign museums do not know - there is a collection of different levels in all senses.

[Seriy]

Us-tin, it is not so much about public relations as about existing orders and museum-like rules that call and what procedures to living artists.

And how to use the Internet to verify the information.

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Seema, thank you for the explanation!
EM funds and the collection is the same concept?
All items made in the book equivalent?

[artcol]

Сообщение от Seriy

artcol, I do not quite understand what you said .. now take the Guggenheim recently mentioned on his website has a section Collection, is the concept of On View - EM in the exhibition. THEOREM work may be in the collection, but not on display in the museum.
Or do you want to say that for the Russian Museum Collection of the word should be replaced by the Foundation? This is the official term? but I never read in the CV - is included in the Museum fund, always-included in the collection.

Another word meeting is used. The fact that the museum (!) Are stored (!), Not only paintings and statues, and everything (!!!) that is associated with them. And it's all is the inventory number and entered into the granary book (or accounting). Therefore, with respect to just say - funds, and in respect of paintings and statues - meeting. Collection is applied to the part meeting (selected on the basis of - thematic, hrnologicheskomu, etc.).

Well, as they say in life - it's someone as comfortable.

[fabosch]

Сообщение от Seriy

Us-tin, it is not so much about public relations as about existing orders and museum-like rules that call and what procedures to living artists.
And how to use the Internet to verify the information.

I very much doubt that the Internet can be found full catalog of a major art museum.
And it is 100%sure of the contrary, when it comes to graphics

[artcol]

Сообщение от Seriy

How can I verify this information?
and how to understand this information?

And in general - what's the point to check it out?
Well wrote and wrote.
Delov something!


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Сообщение от fabosch

I doubt very much that the Internet can be found full catalog of a major art museum.

And it is 100%sure of the contrary, when it comes to graphics

There.
For example Cheboksary Museum of Art.
I think Radischevskaya museum will soon have a complete collection on the web.

[fabosch]

Сообщение от artcol

There. For example Cheboksary Museum of Art. I think Radischevskaya museum will soon have a complete collection on the web.

Even if we leave out the obvious reason is that it is impossible in real time to replenish materials posted current income and therefore, the catalog of will never be complete until the museum lives and acts, based on what is your confidence in this case (again will not accept the absolute truth that is written on the site)?