Gurzhdiev, Georgy.

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in all parts

So easy to say.
Once said, give examples.
It is clearly said.


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I'm just expressing my opinion.

It is now, but the first message was claimed, and no mention of individual opinions.

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While Nietzsche can say there are also common, they were both ...

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Samvel, just re-read Nietzsche, then Gurdjieff, then look again your movie.

Do not make yourself an idol (c)
 
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Good luck.

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Nietzsche can say there is also a general,

Nietzsche suffered a terrible migraine.

And Gurdjieff biography interesting than his lectures.

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Сообщение от Jasmin; 2522351"

Samvel, read all of Nietzsche, then Gurdjieff, then look again your movie.
Do not make yourself an idol (a)

Jasmin, let's please do not re-read it in the first place, and secondly it's not my video, but said specific philosopher, orientalist. Third just discussing. Since some say give specific examples. No one makes himself kumira.Perechitat of Nietzsche, or Gyurzhdieva, it is very hard task, but to understand what this is about the whole of life is not enough. Just say so is not necessary. There are examples, let's discuss. No, in no court no. I am not saying that all of Nietzsche licked at Gogo something, and no doubt the special gifts Nietzsche, who left a large footprint in the treasury of his personal world of thought. (What it was a man, the other question.) And the last. If you think I'm offended by comparison, on the contrary it is very good that it is put next to Nietzsche, even as Vy.Eto big plus, because it is always compared to what some felon, in general quite unworthy of man.

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Сообщение от Jasmin; 2522351"

And Gurdjieff biography interesting than his lectures.

Well, since you're talking about the biography. Take Nietzsche. See how huge primuschestvo him. First Caucasian, most importantly, in the second degree. Boston University, Leipzig, University of Basel, all the doors are open, for God's sake come on a visit to Vangneru in all rooms, all in his pocket. And Gurdjieff, a Caucasian, no education but self-education. Can you just compare and see the possibilities of both.

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Samvel if you're familiar with the materials, "Stalin and Gurdjieff knew each other"

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Gurdjieff

 

Jeanne Matignon de Salzmann (born Jeanne Allemand), often referred to as Madame de Salzmann, was born in 1889. She studied piano, composition, orchestral conducting at the Geneva Conservatory. In 1912, under the direction of Emile Jaques-Dalcroze she started studying, and later to teaching dance and eurythmy. She met her future husband, Alexander de Salzmann in Dalcroze School in Hellerau near Dresden. After the Russian Revolution, she moved with her husband to Tbilisi, where she continued teaching. In 1919, Thomas de Hartmann introduced the couple de Salzmann Gurdjieff, with whom they were connected until his death in 1949. Madame de Salzmann Gurdjieff worked for almost thirty years. Many pupils of Gurdjieff saw it as his deputy. In December 1949, together with Henriette Lance, Jane Heap and John Bennett, she initiated the continuation of Gurdjieff's work. With it, October 6, 1955 created the "Human Development Research Society", reorganized later, on June 17, 1957, in the "Company of Gurdjieff." Madame de Salzmann, continue training people Gurdjieff system headed this organization until his death on May 25, 1990 at the age of one hundred and one years. It is also exceptionally responsible to transfer the motion of Gurdjieff and his teachings through "Gurdjieff Foundation" in New York, "Gurdjieff Institute" in Paris, and many other groups around the world. Its purpose was to keep the inner meaning and content of the movement. Her son, Michel de Salzmann, who was born in 1923, took over the management of its organization, remaining in that post until his death in 2001.

From the book "The First Initiation"

"You will find that in life, you get exactly what is given. Your life - is a mirror of who you are. You are passive, blind, demanding. You take everything, take everything, without feeling any obligation. Your approach to the world and approach to life - an approach one who feels that he is entitled to demand and take, but who do not need to pay or earn. you believe that all things belong to you just because it's - you! This all your blindness! Nothing This does not attract your attention. But this is what separates one from the other world. "

"Yes," own importance "blinds you. This is the main obstacle on the way to a new life. You have to be able to overcome this obstacle, the threshold, before moving on. This test divides people into two types: the" grain "and" husk . "No matter how intellectually educated, how gifted, how talented man, if he does not succeed," the importance of itself, "there will be no hope for its internal development, the knowledge of self, the true formation. It will be the same as it is for all their lives. "

 

From the book "Reality of Being"

"I am rather a primary energy, which is the basis of all that exists. But I do not feel its presence, as my attention occupied the entire contents of my memory of thoughts, images, desires, disappointments, physical impressions. I do not know what I am . It seems that I am nothing. But something told me to look, to listen, to look seriously and sincerely. When I try to listen, I can see that different thoughts and feelings stop me. I did not listen. in me enough silence to hear to feel. What I want to know, is more subtle. "

"It is a question of power. Our existence, our presence here in the future - it's just a question of forces. We do not own, nothing is ours. We are here to pass through itself forces or transform it, if we know how do it. First of all, it must be clearly feel the force, to feel each of them, and then feel them together to create a new force, which will be able to resist the others will be able to take, can be. "

"The Gurdjieff movements, which can show a new quality of action, given the pace and we should follow it. In our internal work, we have to find the right pace and just follow it. Otherwise the work would not transform us. I need to feel that my body and my thinking the same part, the same power, the same intensity. then a sense of energy in the body may be stronger than the sense of the body itself. I can follow the movement. "I am" in the movement. "

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Gurdjieff


A. Thomas de Hartmann (1885-1956) was born into an aristocratic family of September 21, 1885 in the village of Horuzhivka, east of Kiev. He studied music at the Imperial Conservatory in St. Petersburg and received a graduation diploma at the age of eighteen years, after which he studied under the baton of leadership of Felix Mottl. He gained fame as a composer, and has established close relationships with such renowned intellectuals as artists Nicholas Kulbin and Wassily Kandinsky. The interest in the esoteric Thomas de Hartmann and his wife Olga developed in Munich, where after the wedding came a short time. With Gurdjieff de Hartmann met in 1916 in St. Petersburg, in the period of military service in Tsarskoye Selo. Thomas and Olga became companions of Gurdjieff in his passage through the Caucasus Mountains in 1918, assisted by his activities in Tbilisi, followed him in his subsequent exile to Paris via Constantinople and his disciples remained until Gurdjieff's death in 1949. Together with Olga Thomas wrote the book "Our Life with Mr. Gurdjieff." He attended the "Institute for the harmonious development of man" in the Fontainebleau-Avon, where the piano has shifted more than 300 pieces of music, composed or collected by Gurdjieff for his exercise. In 1950, Thomas de Hartmann moved to New York. He died on March 28, 1956 in New York.

Collection of articles and books on our website:

Caution - Desire - Will - Free Will
Our life with Mr. Gurdjieff
 From the diary of Thomas Daley:

"The facility attracts us, we do not engage the object.'s Drive us from the outside. They force us to do a lot of things. This is not a woman buys a hat, hat and buys a woman."

"A man has two natures: the lower and higher. Lowest nature is like the nature of the animal, perhaps a more subtle and complex, but, nevertheless, it works the same way. Higher nature is real. It is incomplete, but can turn into a holistic and Perfect Man. "

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Madame Assumption (1878-1961)

Madame Assumption, nee Sophia G. Voloshin, was born November 8, 1878 in Kharkiv. (Some sources indicate the years of her life as 1874-1961)

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It was in the group of Gurdjieff in St. Petersburg in the years 1915-1918, as well as Peter Dem'yanovich Assumption, who married her in late 1917. Madame Assumption was one of the most dedicated students of Gurdjieff and made a great contribution to the dissemination of the ideas and teachings of Gurdjieff. She took an active part in the work of the Institute of Harmonious Development of Man-based Gurdjieff in Fontainebleau, particularly in music and dance lessons. It also helped make entries games Gurdjieff harmonium.

Temporarily broke up the Assumption during their stay in Fontainebleau, she was reunited with her husband after he broke with Gurdjieff, and remained with him in England and in America, where Assumption left during the Second World War, there gathered a group of his followers. In 1945, the Assumption returned to London, and Madame Assumption remained in the United States.

After the death of the Assumption, many of his disciples, following the advice of Madame Assumption, belong to the group of Gurdjieff in Paris, which provided a significant addition to Gurdjieff pupils by the end of his life.

In addition she studied the process of publishing two of the most important books of the Assumption "In Search of the Miraculous" and "Fourth Way".

In the last years of her life she led a group of followers of the teachings of Gurdjieff in Mendhame, New Jersey. She died on December 30, 1961 in Mendhame, New Jersey at the age of 83.

Dzhessmin and Darling Howarth wrote Madame Ouspensky in his book, "It depends on us: mother, daughter and Gurdjieff. Joint memories »(It's Up to Ourselves: A Mother, a Daughter, and Gurdjieff, A Joint Memoir)

In this book, they quote Madame Assumption, saying:

"You sit back and expect pearls, when what you have to do is not to be swine"

"All work begins with the control of attention, and in this regard, much can be learned through the motions."

From the records of Robert S. De Ropp:

"People think they can do as they like, and alter things as they like. Actually, they will always do what is most convenient to them, but what a person pays more, is the most valuable. Person can achieve much of the world, only realizing his own insignificance. As far as he is aware of its smallness, it also realizes the enormity of the world. Immersed in his business, his world is limited. drop of water - that's nothing. man - this is a drop of water. As long as people are lost in the world or daily activities, they go around in circles. "

"We do not see the connections between things, but we live in the illusion that things are separate from each other. At the same time, we exist only in the moment. Fact, things are constantly influencing each other. Reciprocity is not ceasing. Since we are not able to see it We see the world dead. For the same reason, we can not realize that we ourselves are the process.

Study like a machine in which there are different processes. "

"A man working on himself, deceives himself. He realizes that is responsible. Every action has consequences that we can not predict how severe. We are part of a larger process in our power to add a drop on this side or the other."

"Those who want to move, to decide what kind of place they want to leave and where to come. Finally, to decide what is good and what they want. Only their purpose is clear. Related to the purpose of the correct attitude. Before As long as people believe that it's not good, it has nothing to do with it ".

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After reading this, thought of Gurdjieff and thought that George Ivanovitch would not have today, for example , to visit Baku

citizen of the Russian Federation Sergey Gyurdzhian was not allowed to board the airline " Azerbaijan Airlines " at Domodedovo airport. He made ​​it clear that denied boarding because of his Armenian surname , and now he does not rule out that the appeal to the court . Human rights activists say that the non-admission of citizens of the Russian Federation to the Armenian surnames on the territory of Azerbaijan is " not the exception to the rule, but the trend ".

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After reading this, thought of Gurdjieff and thought that George Ivanovitch would not have today, for example, to visit Baku
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A citizen of the Russian Federation Sergey Gyurdzhian was not allowed to board the airline "Azerbaijan Airlines" at Domodedovo airport. He made it clear that denied boarding because of his Armenian surname, and now he does not rule out that the appeal to the court. Human rights activists say that the non-admission of citizens of the Russian Federation to the Armenian surnames on the territory of Azerbaijan is "not the exception to the rule, and the trend."

Yes there is such a thing. It really is not the first or even 10 times. It's a trend. Change your name and forth. With regard to Gurdjieff, then it's fine. First, his name ends in (s), and secondly he always said he was a Greek. It's him and helped to settle in Europe. If he would have appeared there as an Armenian, then he would have no chance. And what is their passport, it does not matter. If you were not allowed to Baku along ethnic lines, the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov also be rejected because it is an Armenian. Or would not dare? <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

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If you were not allowed to Baku along ethnic lines, the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov also be rejected because it is an Armenian.

Sergei Lavrov

Born in 1950, Russian.

 
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