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Старый 05.04.2014, 23:19 Язык оригинала: Русский       #841
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in the beautiful images of natural principles
Symbol of origin - spring. And there is a picture with the same name Botticelli ... Month is so called because in April , which means something like " kidney" or buds ...
Egg - yes, but it is a symbol of Faberge living God who can do anything. Mary Magdalene , congratulating one of Caesars presented him with Easter egg, which in her hands became red ... In Russia it connected with some pagan customs associated with spring.
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Month is April so called because
Typed into a search engine " April" . What has not been reading !
When she reached the lines " " month of burning trees ", as this month slashed and burned trees to clear land for agricultural purposes ," took a rake and went into the garden to clean Prel foliage. After all, a_prel!


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Egg - yes, but Faberge is a symbol of the living God , who can do anything. Mary Magdalene , congratulating one of Caesars presented him with Easter egg, which in her hands became red ...
According to legend, Mary Magdalene went to Rome to the Emperor Tiberius to tell him that Jesus was resurrected . In those days , as now, it was not accepted to go to the rulers without gifts , so she brought him a simple chicken eggs .
But Tiberius certainly did not believe her and said, " how can someone rise from the dead , this is also impossible , as if it suddenly became red egg ! " And then a miracle happened on the Graz - chicken egg turned red !
Since Easter color eggs and certainly at least one egg in red!

Natural meaning of the principle of " Limbo " can be formulated as : " once said, perhaps ". I think this idea told El Greco show Mary Magdalene with a skull and a book.



" Penitent Magdalene " Ok . 1589 . Domenico Teotokopuli (El Greco ) . Museum of Fine Arts , Budapest

And " fornication " in this metaphor also blameless. For example, how long erred humanity until reached decisions as possible aircraft and other flying man?
Perhaps it is the " Penitent " and that " Magdalene " with spoken word can serve as a scenic way eon " Limbo " (or rather " Conception" ) .
Look , she finger ukazavaet already known word in the book.



Apparently , El Greco was one of the initiates.

From the skull - in a book ! Wander - and it is done !
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Старый 06.04.2014, 22:48 Язык оригинала: Русский       #844
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Apparently, El Greco

This picture is not very similar to El Greco ...

And Mary Magdalene, rather a symbol of repentance, a change in consciousness notion of the course of things ...
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Старый 07.04.2014, 08:49 Язык оригинала: Русский       #845
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K-Maler, my conclusion remains the same and illustrations of his paintings by Titian .



Tiziano Vecellio (Tiziano Veccellio) - Italian painter . " Penitent Magdalene " was created between 1560 and 1570 years


Early Michelangelo da Caravaggio did not follow the Apocrypha , expresses the meaning of eon " Conception" , although sensed " somewhere near scattered pearls of knowledge."



Michelangelo da Caravaggio, 1573 - 1610
" Penitent Magdalene ", approx. 1596 Gallery Doria Pamphili , Rome




 PPRubens also took advantage of " pearls " - a symbol of the alien values. However, the most important thing he wanted to say by way of sister Martha.



Rubens Peter Powell " Penitent Mary Magdalene with her sister Martha ."

Martha and Mary - the characters of the New Testament , which stayed in the house of Jesus Christ .

The different nature of the sisters - Martha and practical contemplative Mary - became a symbol of the various installations in the lives of Christians .

" A woman named Martha received him into her house ; She had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet and heard his word . Martha was distracted with much serving, and came and said , Lord, dost thou not care that my sister has left me to serve alone? Tell her to help me. Jesus said to her: Martha Martha ! you are anxious and troubled about many things , but one thing is needful ; Mary has chosen the good part, which shall not be taken from her.
(Luke 10:38-42 ) "

With some reservations, we can assume that the original patterns of Mary Magdalene and her sister Martha were siblings images of Egypt and Seth . Egypt - the image of verbal hypotheses and mythological Seth setil his network wilderness , catching another miracle . Then Isis and son Horus Seth dragged on penalty Han that he penalty al anything sensible about you fishing lennom miracle.
Interestingly, the Martha depicted with keys ( grooves down) and fishing nickname.



Saint martha MARTHA . In medieval manuscript binding . Martha shows ladle
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And Mary Magdalene , rather a symbol of repentance, a change in consciousness notion of the course of things ...
The thought of " change in consciousness notion of the course of things" completely fit into the term " hypothesis" .
Let me remind you : " mes " assertion of something " hip " - lower , in contrast to the " hyper " - higher . From hypothesis to hypothesis, people get to the theory. The term "theory" is read as a divine proclamation .
Paintings brilliant artists " Penitent Magdalene " confirm once again that the words of the letter elements are duplicated images. Penitent Mary Magdalene=hypothesis = Conception ( kidney) theory.

K-Maler, is no stranger to admire your vision essentially art history .
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Look like pearls Rubens and Caravaggio sounded Marina Tsvetaeva.


MAGDALENE

1

Between us - the Ten Commandments :
Fever ten fires.
Native blood recoils ,
I like you - someone else's blood .

In the times of the Gospel
B was one of those ...
( Someone Else's Blood - Desire
And alien of all! )

To you used with all infirmities
Drawn, was creeping - light
Coat ! - Feathered demonic
Openly , lila b maslá

[SPOILER] And his feet like and feet would
And it would be so in the sands ...
Passion for merchants sold out ,
Rasplevannaya - theca !

Penoyu mouth and scale
Hards and all pótom
Heg ... In hair zamatyvaem
Your feet , as in fur.

Nekoyu cloth feet
Staley ... Is not ( ta! )
Creature with fiery curls
Said: Arise , my sister !

August 26, 1923


2

Suit plochennye tripled
Cost , passion sweat
Tears , hair - a real
Isstruenie and one

In red dry clay
Blessed staring SPAR :
- Magdalene ! Magdalene !
Izdarivaysya not so!

August 31, 1923


3

About your ways will not try ,
Sweetheart ! - It all came to pass .
I was barefoot and shod you me
Showers hair -
And - tears.

I will not ask you, what a price
These bought oil.
I was naked , and you excite me
Body - as a wall
Fenced .

Thy nakedness fingers throne
Quieter waters and grasses below ...
I was right , and you have the slope
Tenderness instruct leaning .

In his hair I Dig a hole ,
Swaddled me without linen.
- Mironosits ! Why me world ?
You washed me
Like a wave.

August 31, 1923

And bring an article by Joseph Brodsky " Analysis of the poem M.Tsvetaeva " On your ways will not try ... " from the site" Literary and music room . "

Magdalene
(Excerpt from " Notes to the Commentary ")

Revisit Tsvetaeva " Magdalene ." For a start, this whole cycle - this is not a dialogue , but trialogue ; in the worst case , with the introduction of dramatic composition - in the second poem - tandem - the author as a spectator /commentator. This, however , is not essential , or - until substantially. For the moment it is essential that the most significant poem that little triptych - the third , containing not appeal Magdalene to Christ , but to His Magdalene .

"On your ways will not try ... " striking his intonation contrast compared to the previous two poems , the main value of which , let me say , it is that they have prepared this contrast .

The reason for this contrast is not only redundant lexical intensity ( normal , however, for Tsvetaeva's verse ) " Between us - the Ten Commandments ... " , but in the duality of his destination. A series of three poems begins with an invocation to the concrete, apparently face and only the third stanza develops into a kind of treatment Magdalene to Christ. It - Love poems more than the interpretation of the Gospel story , as primarily evidenced by the subjunctive , in which it is written . This device - typical of Tsvetaeva's poetry : " If it were me and you - yes , fate brought ..." - so typical that a dual focus " Between us - the Ten Commandments ... " -parody and oscillates between autobiography and " creature with curls of fire " may be accepted for paraphrase series " Girlfriend ."

I would like to emphasize the following. Handling Tsvetaeva Magdalene in this case - arbitrary . This freedom - not only for the natural love poetry , but also for a person raised in the Christian faith at all. Magdalene Tsvetaeva essentially just another mask , metaphorical material not unlike Phaedra , or Ariadne or Lilith. It is not so much about faith, but about the feminine archetype and its sensory potential , ie about samoproektsii . Samoproektsiya ? Hardly. Hurry : the projection of Christ itself . For all its unchurched , Tsvetaeva - Christian, and the degree of sensuality to her essence illustration degree of love : deep Christian feelings . It is possible that the main merit of Christianity is that it has been reported that feeling metaphysical dimension .

The great thing about Tsvetaeva's cycle - this is the third poem. "On your ways will not try ... " in the context of the cycle produces stunning and fascinating experience also because this monologue author renounces Christ image of the suffering women - from himself and, as they say, takes note above. Key in this poem - the tone , combining the petition , love and gratitude for the love. This is , I fear , the formula of Christian love . Wonderful in general, and for our discussion in particular, that in the poem the author speaks the voice of men . That is , giving up themselves and looking at yourself from the outside , the heroine hears a voice sounding like a postscript to her and her destination livelihood. Gospel in general and individually for Tsvetaeva meaning of the third part of the cycle consists in finding the tone , in the name of which stands to abandon their own. In other words : there is someone, and I will try to speak his /her /that voice .

For us , its readers now, "On your ways will not try ... " is primarily a confirmation of the existence of this key , as well as the world from which this comes tone .

To a certain extent this poem falls out of the traditional version of the story of Mary Magdalene. From the perspective of the canon , we are dealing with a situation /version if not outright heretical , then at least apocryphal . Moreover, " Honey! - It all came to pass ... " could be said only removed already from the cross, if not just risen ... It's like in the spirit of canonical interpretations that mixes all three women : Mary Magdalene and another Mary.

The name itself ... - Mary Magdalene - anagrammatically contains name Marina - all the more so for the Russian ear "Maria" and "Marina" not too differentiated. Anagrammatichnost only aggravated by repetitive vowels a /and /I and /and /and and idio - sinkraticheskim echo in " mironosits ! Why me world ? " Still attached .

" Sweetheart ! - It all came to pass ... "and in general the whole poem sounds like the last words spoken in this world , because in the end , Mary Magdalene - the last companion of Christ in this world. And the last thing he says in this world :

I was right , and you have the slope
Tenderness instruct leaning .

It's all been said as if from there , because it is - a memory. At the same time, we should all remember that it takes a woman is a man's game , that she looks at herself through his eyes from the outside. What we are dealing with an extremely radical renunciation : a transition to a different quality , a different floor. This is not a literary device and mask : this is not a love poems , but spiritual .

Also take into account that any reader , especially a man, easily finds its voice - themselves - "Honey ! - It all came to pass ... ". Stitch this - worldly breath , repeated many times , because for life " resurrect " have to repeatedly written repeatedly come true .

Imagine also that the writing is coming true - and you know it. What is sold is written not only in Scripture , but also by you. That the amount you have written is that, about what the Scripture has said , and that it 's time to come true, that you will not pass the cup . What do you order and write these verses of the Gospel , that it came to pass.

And imagine that Tsvetaeva, who loved you with all possible force correspondence of love, no more, but this was her iambic ferrets with anapaestic failures , and that he persistently sounds in your mind .

Joseph Brodsky
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shod
Showers hair -
And - tears.

I will not ask you, what a price
These bought oil.
I was naked , and you excite me
Body - as a wall
was surrounded.

Thy nakedness fingers throne
Quieter waters and grasses below ...
I was right , and you have the slope
Tenderness pointed the, crouching .

In their hair to me Dig a hole

So ... shod . Fenced ! Train up !
Pit dug ! And - all in white .
I do not know ... There are all the same rules ...
Moral standards , although used .

Brodsky wrote to us about the verse.
All is not as it took , hehe ...



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Neck, you were able to insert their cue, if the message is written to 13:04?
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if the message is written to 13:04?
Message appears at 11:14.
And at 13:04 it stopped you edit and append ...



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