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[Сергей Дородный]

Сообщение от bykinist

It seems to me that the market for contemporary art is an attempt to create a new segment of the economy like the dotcom 90s . Everyone knows the outcome of the event. Of course contemporary art market is not going anywhere , but the bubble inevitably burst, and there will be a serious price adjustment . In this connection it is interesting example of Japanese investors and their passion for art investment in 80 years , sadly ended . Given the location of the Japanese economy in the top four of the world , the activity of the Japanese contemporary art market is insignificant when compared with the U.S., China , and Brazil. The dog ate and still digesting .

An interesting analysis . Almost - a detailed explanation of why the picture is not a commodity in the narrow sense of the word (which I tried to do in " Art as a commodity " ) .

And here's a piece of me with percents do not agree.
Why do you think that only now zapytayut someone to make him a new segment of the economy? Arguments against:
1. For " Sunflowers " by Van Gogh had been paid more than 40 (? Feel like now specify a number) ) million in the mid 80s . Also not seeds.
2 . Large institutions art market before settling for the position except " shops "?
4 . The volume of long- och art market . decent. A small, but the sector .
5 . No one in the fast profit from buying the painting for 100-140 million can not seriously expect . To add decently , any picture of " rest up " for about 10 years at least .
5 . Those who do you try to do it , he out of pocket "extra" 40 million (or the entire amount of 140 million (with Bacon ) ) - takes to raskochegarivaniya ?
6. Generally in a systemic crisis, invest such sums in pictures of 10-15 years in a business project ? Obviously, the more likely it is saving money if it's only money.
I am a very romantic , I believe that the main motive of the purchase of pictures - this is love. (Although in the case of Bacon is not clear to me ) .

[Seriy]

bykinist, KC can generate income in addition to sales in other hands. First, you can create a private museum and let the people there for the money. An example of Nolde - Museum in Berlin - private. If you own the rights to an image , you can publish and sell books . Nolde Museum has released a huge amount of books and large and small. And so keeps Barnes Foundation for the rights to the images that many of the paintings in this collection we can see only in black & white version or even just when you visit alive. And, most importantly, KC can be leased to museums is widespread. Painting and stored under proper conditions , and revenue .
So it's not that bad .

[Pavel]

Сообщение от bykinist; 2850781 "

( for example, rather than real estate, which can be , at least , rent ),

Little moment . Real Estate , etc. over time, lose their value , and works of art become more expensive over time , and how , but the truth is not all. Sometimes those who are waiting on the go - in the negative, and those for which all have been spat , getting more expensive as if by magic . The taste is needed , intuition, experience and love . Apollo god of art , commerce and Mercury .

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Сообщение от Sergei burly ; 2851241 "

5. No one in the fast profit from buying the painting for 100-140 million can not seriously expect . To add decently , any picture of " rest up " for about 10 years at least .
5 . Those who do you try to do it , he out of pocket "extra" 40 million (or the entire amount of 140 million (with Bacon ) ) - takes to raskochegarivaniya ?
6. Generally in a systemic crisis, invest such sums in pictures of 10-15 years in a business project ? Obviously, the more likely it is saving money if it's only money .

This is not entirely true. Paintings nobody leavens . You can keep 20 and get 0, and can double in a week .

[Hollandup]

Much has been said , like in nature, but all very confusing bykinist

( ( Despite the wide variety of external forms , painting in the style of neo-expressionism has some features in common. Example: rejection of traditional standards of composition and design , dual and acute emotional mood in the reflection of modern life and values ​​, lack of graphic idealization ; the use of clear, sharp color combinations , primitivist style of the image objects) ) phenomenon is 70-80 g - in

Beauty, in the conventional sense , you will not find , but that does not mean that the phenomenon is not interesting for art and cultural studies .

Basquiat in this phenomenon is one of the most prominent figures of his creative life " gone in " during the period of existence of the neoespressionizma with the 70 - to ser.80h
adventurous ... you say? .. black street graffiti artist ? I believe more , as you say , " the American romance ", that is at a good familiarity with the inimitable Andy B. and neo-expressionism and Basquiat in life and in art. And get paid for it . Records quite justified .

Although his paintings are not buying the English bourgeoisie to decorate the house as the picture .. Bacon , Bacon about Margaret Thatcher once called him "a man who draws these horrific pictures ". [3]
" Blow away " if the balloon is inflated the price of art, I do not know , maybe. After all, the money itself has only a notional value, even their GDP no longer supports . papers

[Сергей Дородный]

Сообщение от Seriy

bykinist, KC can generate income in addition to sales in other hands.
First, you can create a private museum and let people there for the money .

Seriy, ride (it is not advice, a figure of speech) to Egypt, take a camel and will open to you - do not let profitable and produce for the money.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Seriy

A Barnes Foundation holds so for the rights to the images that many of the paintings in this collection we can see only in black & white version or even just when you visit alive.

Is at online fund can not posmotreb collection in color?
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[Seriy]

Cyril Syzransky, thank you .. have not seen, until recently it was not.

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Сообщение от Sergei burly

main motive of buying paintings - it's love.

By and large, it is true.

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Сообщение от Seriy

until recently it was not.

There is somewhere you can see the time of creation, but I'm already two years have used this list of authors collection of paintings and immediately pointed complete openness fund management - they show all the way up to the archives.

[Seriy]

Cyril Syzransky, copyright 2013 site.
See, of course, very interesting.

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Сообщение от bykinist; 2850781 "

How much is liquid luxury item not bearing any practical functionality ?

The masterpiece is not only a luxury item , which you will not be " no practical functionality ", it is also a ticket to high society , where no one was interested in your company's stock for the production of soft drinks, but very interested your Modigliani and Goncharov.
Of course , you can say that this ticket and where this high society will not smear on bread and you will be partly right - with the landing position trader, thinking about his daily bread today, like the Krylov pig under an oak tree . Or like me. <! - ~ 7 ~ ->