He died Lucien Freud

[Игорь Гурьев]

You never know what I'm doing with it, with art.

First of all I had learned and interested in them primarily as art is, let alone in the nth place - as a commodity.


L. Freud - is more than questionable goods.
Just because this is not art.

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Сообщение от Guriev, Igor

First of all, I learned it ...

The lectures at the Institute in the 70s?

Сообщение от Guriev, Igor

... and interested in them primarily as art is

It is very noticeable.
 
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Сообщение от Guriev, Igor

L. Freud - is more than questionable goods.
Just because this is not art.

 
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[Тютчев]

Сообщение от Ika-Ika

The mention of this I have read here in this book.

Ika-Ika, the book was found in my library ("Paul Cezanne. Correspondence. Memoirs of contemporaries", Moscow, 1972). You probably mean the text on the 38th and 39th pages?
The author Yavorskaya NV writes: «However, one of the most extreme reactionaries, and the once progressive Henri Rochefort writes slander article« L'Intransigent »(1903, March 9), entitled" Love for the ugly, "mocks Cézanne and Zola, literature linking Zola and Cezanne painting with dreyfusarami. "We often say - wrote this anti-Semite and antidrefusar - that dreyfusary existed long before the Dreyfus affair. All morbid minds, all flawed soul, crippled and handicapped, long ripe for betrayal of the Messiah. When I see nature as what it describes Zola these vulgar and artists, is not surprising that the honor and patriotism appear in the image of the officer, who presented the plan to the enemy to protect the country. "
We can not agree Perryusho c, which resulted in the passage in his book on Cezanne, who believes that Rochefort joined writer and an artist, because he did not know the true state of affairs, did not know the true relationship of Zola and Cezanne did not know what Cézanne, as Roden, remained completely indifferent to the Dreyfus case. Recall that Monet and Pissarro admired defense of Dreyfus by Emile Zola. This gave full authority to consider Rochefort dreyfusarami Impressionists, Cezanne, and in fact he reckoned to him, calling him "ultraimpressionistom." But that's not in it, despite the divergence of Zola and Cezanne, both of them belonged to the progressive camp, and is well aware of Rochefort, and all those enemies, who were distributing an article in Aix ».

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Perhaps you misled these words: "anti-Semite and antidrefusar." If a Cezanne in the form of derogatory anti-Semite says Alain Rochefort, the Cezanne - a Jew. The logic of this is, but how often is not all that logical - true. I even say more, Cezanne not only not Jewish, but not dreyfusar. Yavorskaya tagging Cezanne, and with it all the Impressionists to dreyfusaram, for the sake of those ideological assumptions that existed at that time in the Soviet Union. It's no secret that the Communist Party stood on the side of Dreyfus.
  
Version Perryusho much closer to the reality of those early days:
«In March 1903 the widow of Zola decides to sell most of the collections of a writer - all that she does not like - and ten paintings by Cezanne will be sold at auction. These canvases, painted by the artist in the days of youth are highly valued, and how very strange reports of "La Gazette de Drouot l'Otel", "bid prices exceed the designated" ranging between 600 and 4,200 francs. Auction Zola thanks the person and the deceased writer's hands the role he played in the Dreyfus case, and also because of his sudden tragic death aroused a huge interest to him. Angry and sharp passion that once raged around Zola, has not yet subsided. On that occasion, publicist Henri Rochefort, spiteful antidreyfusar, again lashed out against Zola and his followers.
   Having established that at the auction were paintings by Cezanne, not having a clue as to what Cezanne canvases gathered dust in the attic of the late novelist, not reading "Creativity", or anything at all without knowing it, Henri Rochefort sure to love this painting to the deceased and that that Zola - toady Cezanne, Rochefort confounds and confuses the views of the artist and writer on art, identifying the political views of Cezanne with politics Zola. In the hortatory, domineering tone, characteristic of some publicists, Rochefort published on March 9 "L'Entransizhan" article titled "Love of ugliness."
"Yesterday I went into the exhibition hall, where the auction was sold a private collection of Zola, I expected to meet the whole group of intellectuals with sleek hair and all the snobs dreyfusizma. It seemed to me that they will stand in serried ranks, ready to kindle enthusiasm of visitors and celebrate the exquisite taste and artistic flair the author of "scum."
   But these people are extremely cunning. They advance to foresee in what appear ridiculous these Jews and Judaism, these free-thinkers to the bone, on the background of the triptych "Passion", next to wooden statues of saints and martyrs, the martyrs, turning the entire collection to an amazing collection of religious and Catholic junk, once or filled with someone else's house.
   It might seem that you are the traders "divine" about the Place Saint-Sulpice.
   Modern paintings, which he (Zola) mixed into one pile with antique junk, caused the crowd genuine fun. There was a dozen works, landscapes or portraits, signed a ultraimpressionistom, a kind of Cezanne, who amused himself would Brisson.
   People korezhilis laughing dark-haired, bearded head in front of men, whose cheeks were knocked out with a spatula, seemed covered with eczema. Other works by this artist can be considered as a direct challenge to Corot, Theodore Rousseau, Gobbeme and Ruisdael.
   Pissarro, Claude Monet and other artists, most eccentric and pleneristov puantelistov - those dubbed "artist-confetti" - perhaps sochtesh academics, members of the Academy of Fine Arts is almost next to Cezanne, whose works have so carefully assembled by Zola.
   Even the experts themselves - the authorized sales - were confused, and a catalog of these monstrous paintings, each canvas supplied obscure note: "The works of early youth."
If Cezanne was in its infancy, when he created this scribble, then there is nothing we can not say, but think that in this case, the ideological leader of the school, the owner of the castle in Medan, who claimed a title to defend and to plant in the fine art of this kind of nonsense . Zola published an article on Salon, attributing his credit guide French art.
   Unfortunate, will probably never be seen near the paintings of Rembrandt, Velasquez, Rubens, Goya, or? If the rights of Cezanne, all of these great masters of the brush were wrong. Watteau, Boucher, Fragonard no longer exists, and, as the highest manifestation of love for art, which is expensive to Zola, there is only one thing - to burn the Louvre.
   We often say that there dreyfusary long before the Dreyfus affair. All morbid minds, all flawed soul, crippled and handicapped, long ripe for betrayal of the Messiah. When I see nature as what it describes Zola these vulgar and artists, is not surprising that the honor and patriotism appear in the image of the officer, handing the enemy plan to protect the homeland.
   Love for the physical and moral corruption - the same passion as any other »».

I would add that while the word "impressionist" was not yet a household word for the vast majority of the bourgeoisie. And if you remember that even the name of his group were the Impressionists in mockery of feuilletonist Louis Leroy, it becomes clear why Henri Rochefort decided in his article, which was directed primarily against Zola (fierce defender of Dreyfus), combine it with these "charlatans ". In his view, the majority view and it was a clever and scathing opponent reception. But Cezanne in this combination role was the main figure, it is because it annoyed the public art at the most. The name "Cezanne", in fact, was synonymous with the word "crazy"! And besides, Zola was a friend of Cezanne, appreciated his work, as to expect Rochefort, that really was not the case (this is read Henry Perryusho). Finally, the pre-auction exhibition of this most, which was very convenient excuse for the "massacre" was an exhibition of works by Cezanne.
 
It's funny, but Yavorskaya, in fact, adopted a version of Henri Rochefort, the only difference that for her the fact of belonging to dreyfusaram Cezanne was an unmistakable sign of his "progressive camp to prinadlnzhnosti." That's because demand ideologies of the time. Of course, Cezanne could not be dreyfusarom, for the simple reason that he was completely apolitical. Its for real, interested only in one thing and it's art!

[Игорь Гурьев]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 1720911"

In his lectures at the Institute in the 70s ?

I've learned not to Institute , and in one of the world's best institutions of the time - Moscow State University.

In general, however , received at MSU beautiful formal education in art history , visiting , for example, in the same 70 years, department of art books Library for Foreign Literature , going to exhibitions and reading books, but in later years to gain knowledge and experience , and having , say, head on your shoulders , it is difficult to find those who here me comrade . Syzran trying to draw a caricature - kitsch .

I know the history of art is very good , and you, Comrade . Syzran - in general it does not know.
You know some things , and artist names , but does not understand the processes that occur in art , and I fear that little clue that it is - art.

Although as you may well nablatykalis merchandise .

[Moriakoff]

Сообщение от Guriev, Igor; 1721291"

I did not study at the institute, and in one of the world's best institutions of the time - Moscow State University.

And I do not understand that you are so "rasposhlis" (split) ...
I have a parable in this case ...
It is an ancient proverb, must be very old, because God still lived on the earth in those days. One day a man came, an old farmer, and said:

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- Listen, can you and God, may you and created the world, but one thing I must tell you: - You're not a farmer, you do not know even the basics of farming, you need to learn a little bit.

- What do you suggest? - God asked.

- Give me one year, and that everything happens the way I want, and you'll see what happens. Poverty will not.

God agreed and gave the farmer a year.

Naturally, the farmer asked for the best, he thought only of the best: no storm, no thunder, no harm to the crop. The farmer got everything right, all friendly and happy. If he wanted the sun - the sun was, when he wanted to rain - rain fell, and as much as he wanted. Wheat grew very high!

And then the farmer came to God and said:

- Look, this time the harvest will be such that even after 10 years people will not work, then the food will still be enough.

But when the crop was removed, the grains of wheat to be found.

The farmer was incredibly surprised. He asked God:

-Why is it that I do wrong?

God replied:

- Because there was no opposition, no conflict, there was no friction, you eliminate all the bad things and therefore your wheat is still empty. Storms are needed, thunder and lightning are needed, they would have awakened the soul of wheat.

I is the fact that the discussion makes sense when a lot of opinions ...
Here you are just now at the Forum, make confession, which shocked me ... But then I thought that I had, for several reasons, one opinion .... man is another, and I'm interested to get acquainted with this opinion !
With regards to L. Freud, I like him all, regardless of ethnicity, creed, color, and the fact it fits or not in any art history Framed!
It's like love ... it often does not like for something, but in spite of ...

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Сообщение от Guriev , Igor ; 1721291"

hard to find those who here me comrade . Syzran trying to draw a caricature - kitsch .

Lord , "draw "! >
Yes, as you yourself have drawn here is not one " kitsch " or " caricature " is not tomorrow.
You like unterofitserskaya widow - and flogged themselves . Publicly . >
Draw more ...

Сообщение от Guriev , Igor ; 1721291"

I know the history of art is very good , and you, Comrade . Syzran - generally it does not know .

But you spelled it - that's for sure : I do not know.
We were taught not to the dialectic of Hegel,
Clash of battle she burst into verse . ( c) >

[Игорь Гурьев]

Сообщение от Moriakoff; 1721401"

I is the fact that the discussion makes sense when a lot of opinions ...
Here you are just now at the Forum, make confession, which shocked me ... But then I thought that I had , for several reasons , one opinion .... man is another , and I'm interested to get acquainted with this opinion !

It is quite true , and it is better not to move to an assessment of individuals.
I did this as an exception , after numerous harassment to me.

[Ika-Ika]

Сообщение от Tiutchev ; 1721281"

Its for real, interested only in one thing and it's art !

I do not Cezanne, but also as an artist and what is happening around me in my own country I am very worried and went into a lot of what I think and what I do with many different parties. What happens now to calm down and think only about the painting , the moon to move to live ? Yes, I 'll look out for planet Earth and cry , and just draw it from the window .

[Moriakoff]

I would like to add a little vsetaki of Lucien Freud ...
Jacob Freud married to Amalia Nathanson, and was older than her 20 years. May 6, 1856 they had a baby boy , named Solomon , Sigismund .
This, as you know, was the founder of psychoanalysis ...
He spent his childhood in the now Czech town Příbor , Austrian its name Freiburg , which translated from German - a free city .
But , interestingly, that Amalia was born in Odessa - " and there is half our people !"
Sigmund Freud married Martha Bernes in 1886, and they had six children : Mathilde, Jean Martin , Oliver , Ernst, Sophie and Anna .
And Ernest , youngest son of Sigmund , was born sons of Clement and Lucien

[Тютчев]

Сообщение от Ika-Ika

I do not Cezanne, but also as an artist and what is happening around me in my own country I am very worried and went into a lot of what I think and what I do with many different parties. What happens now to calm down and think only about the painting , the moon to move to live ? Yes, I 'll look out for planet Earth and cry , and just draw it from the window .

 Cezanne , Malevich , Chardin , Morandi , Serov , Crimea, David , Gustave Courbet , Wrobel , Deineka , Zverev , Caravaggio or the same , Freud - all of which were in varying degrees of social and active. Some of them lived invisible to others lives, and someone was so active that only narrowly escaped the guillotine. One thing is clear , that there is no direct interdependence between the degree of social activity and degree of artistic consistency. Yes, and how to measure it , this " creative consistency "? Everyone has their own world, like fate.