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[Pavel]

Сообщение от Sergei burly ; 2849351 "

for 1 Basquiat painting 33 Shishkin ?

And if you think unshoed and eyes , you can search among more simple and artists Basquiat better and better and cheaper Shishkin. For example Zabelina .
Those who buy over $ 100 million money was not taken out, and receive dividends and put them under much more favorable interest rate and guarantee. Collectors collect paintings of the artists that they like , that's different.

[Владимир Владимирович]

Сообщение от Pavel

simpler and better artists Basquiat and better and cheaper Shishkin.

Kabakov, for example.
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[Pavel]

Сообщение от Vladimir Vladimirovich

Kabakov, for example.
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Yeah, it install the in the footsteps of Russian folk tales in which it is a large dock-Go out there, do not know where, you see, I do not know what.

[Владимир Владимирович]

I remembered anecdotal sluchay.Derzhal in the hands of the newly picture of Sergei Poyarkova . It is the same in the last book illustrator . So there on the back was written in detail what the picture shows . That-be buyer is not very far , then, when the picture shows the friends could not tell exactly what it depicted . <! - ~ 7 ~ -> <! - ~ 7 ~ -> Do not napryagatsya.Udobno !

[Hollandup]

Basquiat poor , he had no idea about all this popularity .. Samo (Saymo), sorry ! Well, you're dead and do not have time to read the review <! - ~ 5 ~ ->

" .. His graffiti was inimitable and soon began the hunt for the paintings and even sketches . Once he sold the drawing, made ​​hastily on a piece of paper for two dollars to buy beer. Owner 's masterpiece got him there and then 5,000 bucks by selling it to a nearby gallery . to the future price of his painting reached 14 , 6 million. Paintings on sale, barely having time to dry. besserebrenikom He was , the poor and the rich, generous and open, naive and cheerful person , fail-proof and unsophisticated in commerce and business. it was used on it made ​​a profit . "

Basquiat painting "I am SO HOW WILL YOU "

[Аркадий]

Yes, it is a masterpiece of a million is not no pity!
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[bykinist]

Сообщение от Hollandup

Basquiat poor , he had no idea about all this popularity .. Samo (Saymo), sorry ! Well, you're dead and do not have time to read the review <! - ~ 5 ~ ->

" .. His graffiti was inimitable and soon began the hunt for the paintings and even sketches . Once he sold the drawing, made ​​hastily on a piece of paper for two dollars to buy beer. Owner 's masterpiece got him there and then 5,000 bucks by selling it to a nearby gallery . to the future price of his painting reached 14 , 6 million. Paintings on sale, barely having time to dry. besserebrenikom He was , the poor and the rich, generous and open, naive and cheerful person , fail-proof and unsophisticated in commerce and business. it was used on it made ​​a profit . "

I'm afraid that this is totally wrong idea about Basquiat , at least from what I know /read . Hollandup, the image of Basquiat on which you saying pedaliruetsya in the same film director and artist circle Basquiat , Julian Schnabel , who , by the way , to put it mildly , did not like Basquiat . Basquiat , seems to have been very obsessed with fame, popularity , and not at all alien to the very " business " of the process of making a lot of money through their " art" as a result of its " competent " promotion. This is purely a Warhol idea of the primacy of the correct positioning and promotion of art as a certain " elite " of the product , spurred by demand for anti - cultural aesthetics /Promise of a New York high society , amid booming art market in the 80s .
Actually, I seem ridiculous attempts perception of creativity Basquiat , and similar artists, in the traditional art analysis , especially in the high global visual culture of the 20th century. Yes, Basquiat - certainly a kind of phenomenon , for example in the field of merchandising , in the field of art business or marketing, but not the art, and especially of its inherent " magic " with a positive tone.

[Seriy]

bykinist, quite a Basquiat fit in the line of American Expressionists, I somehow lecturing compare his work with Rauschenberg.
Well, it is if you are worthy of the title of expressionist am-high global visual culture of the 20th century.

[Hollandup]

addict - a businessman .. ? do not believe it. He Basquiat , " burned through " life , lived a little. Andy certainly played a role in his career, but more because they were kindred spirits .

phenomenon? yes, but I do not agree that the only commercial , but it is art criticism . Just look at the trend of neo-expressionism in general, all over the world .. names such as, for example , Marlene Dumas . A very good example !


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" magic " with a positive touch ? ....
neo-expressionism 70th inherent palette disturbing and provocative images associated with different social taboos. Death , skeletons and mask-like faces , unusual interest in death , prostitution, perversion, police , etc.

Art ... is opposed to all aspects of life ... it has to do with the rugged beauty . [1]
 
Art ... struggles with all the aspects of life ... it works with a terrible beauty.

[bykinist]

Сообщение от Seriy

bykinist, quite a Basquiat fit in the line of American Expressionists , I somehow lecturing compare his work with Rauschenberg .

Is it ? See absolutely nothing in common between the abstract expressionists of the postwar years and Basque from the 80 's. And Rauschenberg ( quite) as it is not an abstract expressionist , is possible only in spirit.

Сообщение от Seriy

Well, it is if you are worthy of the title of expressionist am - high global visual culture of the 20th century .

This is a question only of argumentation and methodology of this argument , and of course the question of outlook and give reason for positions . At a minimum, there must be some universal set of criteria by which one could make such a judgment . And I think , for the purity of the experiment so to speak , do not confined to the 20th century.

Сообщение от Hollandup

addict - a businessman .. ? can not believe it .

Addicts more than adventurous . An experienced addict certainly exhausted body , but the head is working more than normal (considering that a " cure " there are no problems ) . But this path is not for this forum. ) )

Сообщение от Hollandup

Andy certainly played a role in his career, but more because they were kindred spirits .

With regard to kindred spirits , sounds overly sentimental , very American , and most importantly , I think , is far from the truth. By contrast, the two psycho and their creativity. Just business and nothing personal . ) )

Сообщение от Hollandup

phenomenon? yes, but I do not agree that the only commercial , but it is art criticism .

then ... more cultural studies . The emergence of Basque art has long been poured out for their own, so to speak , the traditional ontological framework in the area of post-modern discourse.

Сообщение от Hollandup

" magic " with a positive touch ? ....

I hope that the word " magic " the first time it was used in this thread, as a figure of speech , and no more , so do not dwell on this .

Сообщение от Hollandup

Art ... is opposed to all aspects of life ... it has to do with the rugged beauty . [1]
 
Art ... struggles with all the aspects of life ... it works with a terrible beauty.

It sounds harsh , but not very pretty.

Сообщение от Seriy

Just as on the exchange of shares will be garbage artists, blue chips , undervalued and overvalued artists . And KC has huge advantages over stocks , the paintings do not hang loans , as in any enterprise , the pictures can be cheaper, but they can not become zero, in the dust .

The discussion about investment instruments, it seems inappropriate to compare stock ( securities) , as the title of ownership of the property, and the picture as a kind of action , the title of ownership of the productive capacity of an artist . The differences and inconsistencies are obvious. Mostly, the action represents the ownership of a portion of the property which has (mostly massive ) performance /proliferative capacity due to complex production and trade and economic mechanisms , and the picture is just the end result of the production of a single person (even if it is a "Factory " Warhol and Hirst shop with a lot of apprentices ) . Artist - it is rather a brand, as well as Coca -Cola - a brand that stands on its own lot of money. (I must admit that the artist positively complicates their economic status when it becomes part of it, so to speak, the productive chain , namely the artist - gallerist - critic /journalist - an art dealer - the auction house - museum , etc. But it seems to me the chain too highly complex , fragmented , and as a result is very shaky , and does not stand comparison with those in the production and promotion of a product of a company , where the whole process is , so to speak , under one roof and coordinated from a single center. ) But the brand Coca -Cola not the same thing that the " production " of the soft drinks company with all their factories around the world, tremendous staff and the various mechanisms of distribution, promotion , logistics, product, etc. Moreover , the action (or rather, a certain number of shares) gives the opportunity to participate in politics /the fate of the company , and, at the very least , the action bears , though minor , but dividends.
What does the possession of a work of art to its owner ? Decorates the interior of the home - yes, of course . Provides aesthetic /intellectual "fun " and /or cultural identity (in other words, "expands its civilizational consciousness" , the definition of C. Simpson , 1981 ) - yes , let's say . It defines the framework of the theory of " conspicuous consumption " ( Veblen ), social /material status of the owner - yes, of course. But note , it is very difficult to measure /quantify objectively the extent of these " benefits ." In addition to the potential subsequent sale at a profit , a work of art does not seem to bring any benefit to the owner in terms of dividends or " productive " ability ( rather than such property , which can be , at least , rent ), ie it is purely speculative tool. Copyright of art work , in the case of using an image for commercial purposes ( copying ) , often (as far as I understand it) are profitable to the author , and not the owner of the image source .
The degree of attractiveness of the investment instrument /asset ( he and the asset) , in my understanding , determine , first of all , its liquidity . The more liquid assets, so it is safer and more profitable (at least in the sense that it is possible to speculate ) , and the more dynamic price on it . How much is liquid luxury item not bearing any practical functionality? When the dynamic price does not meet the liquidity of the product, then we can talk about the hype for this product . The hype is usually not an economic phenomenon (yes , such as product deficiency and economic phenomenon can cause a stir ) - in the best case, the psychological , the worst man-made . Just in case the price of art is appropriate to talk about the effect of Veblen - the higher the price of the product , the higher the consumption.
It seems to me that the market for contemporary art is an attempt to create a new segment of the economy like the dotcom 90s . Everyone knows the outcome of the event. Of course contemporary art market is not going anywhere , but the bubble inevitably burst, and there will be a serious price adjustment . In this connection it is interesting example of Japanese investors and their passion for art investment in 80 years , sadly ended . Given the location of the Japanese economy in the top four of the world , the activity of the Japanese contemporary art market is insignificant when compared with the U.S., China , and Brazil. The dog ate and still digesting .