Fakes ... Fakes ...

[Seriy]

OlegTsi, my post is in two parts-first, I did not see the point in vykladyvanii images from Ibeya type of watercolor signed by Lissitzky (in the style kalyaki-malyaki) for $ 9 sold legally as it is, EM souvenir. If someone sees this sense, I would like to know, what is it? I am glad that this question is not for you :-)
I - for legitimate reasons. T e if the item is protected by law, for example, copyright law, you be so kind, he should. If the law is not broken, then do what you want and nobody will have no right to condemn.
 About the benefit or harm forgery and one in particular ...- The more you learn, the less certainty .. recently learned that the figure of Leonardo, Self-Portrait with white hair, a fake 19-century-so we had grown up, so to speak, how to live next?
 
Part II. (And it can be to you personally as a person competent and experienced) - The major types of auctions F. De Pury, Bonhams, I see a picture of Picasso with authorship After Picasso. What do you mean? Picasso died in 1973, then in less than 50 years, his work is copyrighted. Or is this some kind of official copies? The description says nothing, EM accompanying documents of the Fund's Picasso is not listed. And I was amazed that the price of escaping from the originals are not too different. It's a different market work after? If you are faced with this, do not explain it? thanks ..

[OlegTsi]

Сообщение от Seriy

If you're faced with this, do not explain it? thanks ..

Understood. Thanks for the clarification.

I do not know how you can apply to the market "After". such work to fly - it purely voluntary, perhaps the main motivation here - or lack of it MATERIALS market, or "After" made today, but already a famous artist.
While high-profile sales have not met with a description of "After."

[Vladimir]

Сообщение от "lazycat

It was not a transfer, not a movie, but something prohibitively unprofessional, one-sided and obviously CUSTOM

I found this film "Cultural hoax": http://video.sibnet.ru/video263897/

[тандем]

On the assessment of the film lazycat do not agree, although nothing new or sensational film is not told. However, silent about the most - the most brazen drain on people's wealth in modern history is the communist government of Vladimir Ulyanov to Mikhail Gorbachev. only their personal friend and adventurer in life, Armand Hammer had brought from the USSR countless Number of values of national significance, compared with which the loss during the Second World War and the damage from the museum pilferers - mizer.Skryt sheer scale of this looting is designed, bytuyuschaya to this day, the system Accounting in pieces, rather than cash. Plus laws with loopholes, there can not but agree with the comments of Nicholas Arnoldovich Petrova.
With respect to trade perepodpisyami with attribution - chew chewed, not to say precisely. True, showed the beginning of all beginnings and the root of all evil - sick old Jew, whose detention in Sheremetyevo-ment the writer was a colonel.

[OlegTsi]

Constellation of the fake papers by Russian artists (I'm sure that not only Russian) offered in the upcoming auction auction shops Trinity International Art.

http://www.trinityfinearts.com/conte...dex.php?gid=55

Among many others, especially the following stand out:

Burliuk (was withdrawn from Sotheby's auction in New York because of authenticity)
Alexandra Exter
Clement Redko (in nature almost never occurs, but here - yes)
Again the same Sharshunov http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...&postcount=350
Eugene Rukhin
Vladimir Weisberg.

The rest - you can add yourself.

[Seriy]

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they would never meet. That is what is signed Burliuk, does not mean that this work has been done Burliuk.
That is the same situation that Ibeem-sold as is.
I am familiar with its online auctions, according to American author-thousand dollars to several scroll no no paperwork to confirm the authenticity does not provide. Te fact that this signature on lithographs Motherwell-one buyer is not guaranteed.
 Probably, this is a common practice several scroll-thousand dollars is not money in the world today. This is the price of souvenirs, not art. And none of the several scroll thousand dollars does not stir a finger for authentication. Do you want authenticity, espertov, provenance? pay hundreds of thousands of jobs. Market, where the thing is estimated to be several scroll th is de facto a souvenir. This is not the only Russian author, is all.

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The same situation on schedule Picasso no accompanying papers, and more often, and there is no sign of Picasso. By Amer authors frequently stated-edition offset, unsigned. T e not only a question of authorship, the question of circulation is not assigned. Not for nothing that Picasso sculpted by Xerox. Do not draw the same hands for a couple of thousand.
It's all market-after, EM aways and stand to it claims as a masterpiece?

[Seriy]

Eugene, I just want to be realistic and see the world as it is, but not what I'd like to submit it.
It's like sausage, is 100 rubles per kilogram, but the ridiculous hope that there is meat.
That is, hope it can be, but it will look ridiculous.
Seem to me ridiculous Creek's found a fake El Lissitzky at Ibee for $ 9!
At Trinity there Signac and Derain - hope that this scripts for 5 cents? but not that funny?

 Auction is written in its rules, no claims of authenticity, condition or other will not be accepted. THEOREM you buy a souvenir.
So what then are we discussing?
Let's discuss that in the earrings in gold for 200 USD is not gold. And not even a written chemical composition of the alloy from which they are made.

My position, I see the after-market for it exists and at auctions such as Trinity, and at the major auctions. It has its own rules, the site authors.
 So what? deny its existence?
Yes, the market "under the" after-market intersects with fakes. That's where he meets and there are con artists usually are not artists.

Here are acquainted with the work of one American, at least in his short life he was very famous and in demand, EM sold actively, provenance large amount of work begins, first exhibited at the gallery-so several scroll through the years after his death. And before that, were the work of unknown to the general public.
It's like a museum, there are four variants of Sunflowers by Van Gogh, none of which he wrote, according to his letters. But all of them are originals.
That there would dig ... just will not let ...

[Seriy]

Eugene, fake - this is when he says that thing is something, what it is not. If the auction is categorically rejects the authorship of the proof, why the noise about a fake? No fakes.
What do you want to discuss?

If you can not show your claim auction, why predyavlyaete us? or whom? just in the air? what purpose?

[Seriy]

Сообщение от Eugene

It's scholasticism, you are always the last time you take away free fake paintings in the side .. + justify moschennikov, meaning to discuss it?

If you see a scam, they will submit your claim in a U.S. court.
If you are right, you win back a lot of money.

[Евгений]

Сообщение от Seriy

What do you want to discuss ?......
what purpose?

The purpose of this subject, as to give information on the fake pictures of Russian authors, which appear in the sale of all, if you are not interested do not read what the problem ..?