Art as a commodity: Paradoxes and patterns

[NATA NOVA]

Tons of copies have been broken ( and poods of salt eaten ) during the discussions on " what is art and what is its price ." Summary of Joseph (article) , in my opinion is the digest these arguments .
 Now ( I rented ) formed a topic of discussion , " output ( work of art ) on the market ( as a commodity ) ."

My dear ! Here's what I can tell you that ( in our time ) the price of the product ( or product ) depends primarily on the ( level, but not the quality ) of famous authors ( the manufacturer) , and the " time to market (goods) " starts with fame (of any kind) this manufacturer .

( ANY , including the low-quality ) products (including art ) of any /th ( stress - any /th idiot * ( * full of stupid ) but known (any orientation ) will be claimed a priori .
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[Сергей Дородный]

Сообщение от iosif

Sergey burly, the product of labor , created for sale. Is not about the picture ?

iosif, well, so very sad. You imagine the artistic process ?

Here's a picture draw : the artist went on nature, drink, hang down in the bath ( preferably in a sorority ) , the return trip was tied to the roof of " penny " , maybe in the trunk of mother-in-law was driving , and family pet - St. Bernard Bob did not go on the roof of a fundamentally - and here , " flying over Cherepovets ," the artist received the imprint - the sunset over the river - sladkopahuchkoy . And I realized that even now will not be able to drink while not draw such a picture . I came home , and in a day or a maximum of two image did. And then no one was selling (and maybe did not even show ) .

And if you want - and do not leave it anywhere, and was an art teacher in Myshkinskaya high school, work, home , garden, but in the evenings still drew, because I could not draw. These pictures gave colleagues on Birthdays , and they laughed - they say, Pikassoo !

I would be so formulated - " lifestyle product designed to achieve inner harmony of the artist ."
And somehow , even disgusting - the product of labor , created for the exchange of

pc. Who really spread type of artists - " woodpecker Stakhanovite " confident that the number will go (yes already passed !) In quality.

[Buscador]

Сообщение от Sergei burly ; 2748371 "

That something came on the market ( in nezavasimosti from hudtsennosti )
it is necessary to eat a bucket of peas

Then you know better , I have not tried ... We did not say that you will do (or what to do ) . In the text, saying that there goods. For bidding work " mana " - the goods ...

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Сообщение от Artoil-A; 2749091 "

Can grandparents are artists 80s and did not know the word, but went on Opening Day with a thick albums, postcards - prototypes running paintings.

Grandfathers - artists studied creativity is not on postcards (laughter ), and the originals of the works in museums around the country . And not in the 80's and 50's ,60 -s .. In the 80's in the same museums already copied the works of their children ...

Сообщение от Artoil-A; 2749091"

The poshedshie course every school , in addition to the waste - plots compositions quickly corrected imperfect painting technique , according to market needs . Organized workshops for small-scale production of the collective , united for a joint trade. The main thing with sales on the open market - the artists have seen hundreds of its competitors, see what's selling and how successful the work done .

Next you do not want to even comment . You ever dealt with the artists ? That time?

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Сообщение от manna ; 2749161 "

which gave me Buscador.

There is a trace of pale blue ... (Red color is considered a stimulant , promotes activity, friendliness ) <! - 8 ~ ~ ->

[Сергей Дородный]

Сообщение от Buscador

Then you know better , I have not tried ... We did not say that you will do (or what to do ) . In the text, saying that there goods. For bidding work " mana " - the goods ...

A typical communication style cultured people ! Artinvestment , I recognize you!

In essence - I'm talking about the nuances . Yes, the " mana " - like goods. But a strange commodity. And if someone wants to sort out this issue , you have to take into account these nuances . It is hardly necessary to build a theory of art sales to false (possibly false , and probably true , I only argue) premises.
Again , to me, as an artist , it would be such a theory would be interesting to read .

[iosif]

Sergey burly, those who do not like art, they are unlikely to sell . There are more than trade. The rest - the goods < ! - ~ 1 ~ ->
All I can say about myself . When I write a book , it always seems - a masterpiece . Otherwise, why write? But at the same time you always want to sell more expensive manuscript <! - ~ 1 ~ -> so that one does not interfere . And the art , and merchandise .

[Сергей Дородный]

aaaaaaaaa !

iosif, well, I'm about nansah ! !
I'm not saying that art can not be traded , I'm not saying that you do not like art!

I'm just saying that if you want to build some reasonable trade theory art, you'll notice that from the point of view of the theory ( Marx , pancake) paintings in the sale - not a commodity , but something more. Another essential category . (I have on the political economy was an excellent teacher and "good" for the market to respond )

A Landscape metallografika - commodity. And when the 6 copies at the same time - the goods .

[iosif]

Sergey burly, but what I do not like the idea that after all the goods, but a very specific ? Or , in your terminology , with nuances .
Now for the theory.
I, unfortunately , not a theorist . In physics ( gas dynamics ) was an experimenter , and now practices. Science in the article is that the author tries to analyze and summarize the personal (ie limited) experience . So it is - Scientific . And the value of these efforts seems to me that the regularities found and approaches can use them to anyone.
Of course , this is not about a single short article , and the entire series , and in the future - the textbook. I see a strategic goal in the development of the art market of the Russian Federation . Restriction - it is only about modern painting.

[Pavel]

Сообщение от iosif; 2749431 "

Strategic Objective I see in the development of the art market of the Russian Federation. Restriction - it is only about modern painting.

Dear Joseph! Market to your already exists, but for some reason this is not it. Do not buy any stuff for the Arts . What you want is already on the market anywhere in the stands. Once again, I advise foreign study experience , you will save a lot of energy. Everything is there and working.

[Buscador]

Сообщение от Sergei burly

But a strange commodity.

Strange - it's we, the people ...
A picture of a specific product.
Exclusive!
It is not always the most expensive - the best.
Because people with big money - strange ...

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Сообщение от iosif

So it is - scientific and practical.

... With elements of fantasy.
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[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от iosif

Strategic Objective I see in the development of the art market of the Russian Federation.

I would have corrected this way: instead of "Art of the market" would have written "PR-market" ...
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