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Старый 29.10.2012, 23:52 Язык оригинала: Русский       #511
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And are you here in the forum have not seen frequent references to the EXP in the description of products offered for sale ? All these 4B ?
Do not just pay attention .
Naturally occurring ... mainly not on the forum , and on Gelos what? I do not pay attention to anything " to " any "A" ... ( my friends and collectors and dealers too. Well , we assume that the social circle I have too narrow ...)

Example : So my beloved N.Konysheva (and its work) to 2A Gelos eternal and perpetual 5 thousand rubles.
  
And anyway ... why should I focus on the individual opinions of a group of people? Because I buy sovrisk I value myself.

1.Glazami
2.Internetom . Watching background artist (education , exhibitions , presence in museums ....)
3.Auktsionnymi sales ( if any)
4.Ili simple relation their " likes" and mate. opportunities with the " appetite" of the artist ( the gallery owner , dealer)
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Старый 30.10.2012, 00:05 Язык оригинала: Русский       #512
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what?
It's nothing.
The answer to your question:

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It is interesting to them (exp) does anyone use?
I do not use, I have no EXP.



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Старый 30.10.2012, 00:58 Язык оригинала: Русский       #513
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I do not use it , I have no EXP .
If you " is not the first married" as it should be .... The only thing ( it certainly is for deceased artists, of which there is virtually in the internet information) on the sale of pictures and you can refer to the rating , for lack of other disk imaging < - ~ 6 ~ -> ...

And there is nothing to complain ... and Paul, and of course ... well, forum users know that it is often not clear and sharp. But has ( I think ) the right resent the fact that it, too , " thought " ( cartoon correct someone posted ).
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Старый 30.10.2012, 01:39 Язык оригинала: Русский       #514
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The more details you learn, the more closer to the position of Paul ( garbage, in short , a capitalist , because it does not even know how to look , you do not pay )
And secondly < - ~ 2 ~ -> purely subjective) gamy rating obtained ...
On the ball lumped disk imaging, Artist "emerged " (pronounced " impartial ")- so tale squabble , posture , arrogance .. as in the sandbox ... ( Ugly )
In this scenario, the artist claims to meet (and even better to avoid his displeasure , to consider all questions which may arise .) Ie to be able to communicate ( P- AP- People releyshn -piople relation). (Instead, received a bouquet of unrestrained "female emotions ") ...

Taking this opportunity , just in case I declare: I do not have to (this ) rating (at least to my personal statement)




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Старый 30.10.2012, 04:55 Язык оригинала: Русский       #515
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The more details you learn, the more closer to the position of Paul ( garbage, in short , a capitalist , because it does not even know how to look , you do not pay )
And secondly < - ~ 2 ~ -> purely subjective) gamy rating obtained ...
On the ball lumped disk imaging, Artist "emerged " (pronounced " impartial ")- so tale squabble , posture , arrogance .. as in the sandbox ... ( Ugly )
In this scenario, the artist claims to meet (and even better to avoid ).
Taking this opportunity , just in case I declare: I do not have to score ( at least to my personal statement )
In fact, artistic people do not read the last 20 years of the law.
And we must not read the proposed stakeholders passages , and are:
1. The rating agency should be IIN . Then and only then can it be a full participant in civil relations.
2. The rating agency is not clear how the interaction with the tax . They and only they have the sales data of specific artists and paintings only legitimate artists.




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Старый 30.10.2012, 10:48 Язык оригинала: Русский       #516
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a great tool !

A non profit this ad ?
And it is not prohibited commercial advertising ? (if they so meticulously follow the letter of the law )
Where are the moderators?

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Still , he's not a fool ( Suk hack, you are sitting on )
Nat I respect you

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I did not " have remembered ." I use and like it . < - ~ 1 ~ - > Well, yes it is - a trifle compared with the latest news.
News of the hour ! Foolish servants generously forgiven ! ( And really : God forbid - would have to meet ... And these commoners and sloppily dressed , and smell bad, and kuafera must not happen for months ... And anyway, maybe they have these ... insects. Phi .. !

Rednecks immediately felt like a widow would say Belotelova 'mountain -to- azdo easier ! "
It is unfortunate that Mr. Tyryshkina not smack in the stable ... Everything is already set up, and suddenly - such a bummer ...
 P.S. Belonged to me personally ( presented not-remember -who- knows - what ) issue EXP threw in the garbage disposal . Now my wheels? No? Really - a quarter ? Ohti me mladeshenke ...
I wanted to write that Yavas obazhaet , but I respect , obazhaet ... You've got it right.

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What are you all swearing?
Interestingly, they (exp) does anyone use?
Specifically.
As a reference book ... I think for the living artists (in an Internet era), it is generally useless thing ...
Better yet, come and see.

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Nothing.
The answer to your question:


I do not use, I have no EXP.
That money is a pity?




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Старый 30.10.2012, 10:57 Язык оригинала: Русский       #517
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the rating agency should be IIN . Then and only then can it be a full participant in civil relations
And how interesting that affect the objectivity of ratings?
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rating agency is not clear how the interaction with the tax . They and only they have the sales patterns specific artists
So what? Do you think that the tax will provide information on tax secrecy?
Section 102. Tax secret

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1. Tax secrets make any representations received by the tax authority , the internal affairs , state budget funds and customs authorities about the taxpayer, except for the information :
(in red. Federal laws from 09.07.1999 N 154- FZ, dated 02.01.2000 N 13- FZ, dated 30.06.2003 N 86- FZ)
1 ) The disclosure of the taxpayer alone or with his consent;
2) the identification number of the taxpayer;
3) excluded. - Federal Law of 09.07.1999 N 154- FZ;
3) violations of the legislation on taxes and duties and responsibility for such violations;
(in red. Federal Law of 09.07.1999 N 154-FZ )



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Старый 30.10.2012, 11:10 Язык оригинала: Русский       #518
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2 . The rating agency is not clear how the interaction with the tax . They and only they have the sales data of specific artists and paintings only legitimate artists.
You did not read my hundred .. rye wisdom. I believe that the auction should be independent and better state , at the worst of komisarprizerov or auctioneers, and the public daily, with many rooms. Then easier and cheaper to tax every thing sold , including tax sveh -14%position. Here in this auction overlooking a day hundreds and thousands of things you can create a catalog with prices in many sections. This will be fixed prices, which will be based traders and the public. It makes sense. And the prices can be monitored and changed after some time .

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And how interesting that affect the objectivity of ratings?

So what? Do you think that the tax will provide information on tax secrecy?
Section 102. Tax secret
Ratings have been drawn up in some manner. Ratings of must be a purpose , not only to sell copies. Artists have to ask permission or authorization to buy based on the ratings of some of the rules . Artist working life, learning, suffering, and then came clever guys and use them to get rich.

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I do not use it, I have no EXP.

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You did not read my hundred .. rye wisdom. I believe that the auction should be independent and better state, at the worst of komisarprizerov or auctioneers, and the public daily, with many rooms. Then easier and cheaper to tax every thing sold, including tax sveh-14%position. Here in this auction overlooking a day hundreds and thousands of things you can create a catalog with prices in many sections. This will be fixed prices, which will be based traders and the public. It makes sense. And the prices can be monitored and changed after some time.
Subject EXP goes into the topic of auctions.
1. What does "independent"? Auction-commercial enterprise (the haunting fin. Profits)
   1a.Auktsionov should be a lot (good and different.) Undertakings destroy greed (money up front) and the lack of professionalism
2. Auctions will always vary in order of size. (The fact that one is an "X" on the other, at the same time will be worth it, "10X")
3. that is, the "firmness of prices" remains an open question ..
4.Gosudarstvennomu auction dissolute (skorumpirovatsya) a piece of cake.
(I think, to have to explain why)
4.I buyer and the seller will be looking for the best solution, so will be the popular professional (professionally organized) auctions (which, in financial terms, not too fast paced and not too wide, others at risk "pants break" - (metaphorically speaking)
5. In metropolitan areas to organize auctions (afordabl art, for example) in my opinion, is not too difficult, the main condition for the identity-organizer must have a reputation, inspires absolute confidence. (Balance between the technical-routine matters)




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4.Gosudarstvennomu auction dissolute (skorumpirovatsya) a piece of cake.
(I think, to have to explain why)
yes 100 times already explained and examples cited. And anyhow, what not, and France:
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But France gives another priceless experience - a living example of what brings dense ward of the state. To its credit ratings, they did not embellish the French situation. Monsieur Shayett, recalled that in 1950 France was the world leader in the auction turnover. The country has historically been the auction superpower. But half a century later artificially favorable conditions (the state protect its market from competition from "Sotheby's, Christie's") France fell back to 4th place in the world. Its high tax burden and complex legislation that creates excessive burden on business, became the talk of Europe. Finally, as explained Hervé Shayett in England now sell 20 times more of Picasso and Matisse, as in France. And "Sotheby's, Christie's" go now to the weakening of European auction market as bulldozers.

Realizing the danger of the situation, the French were forced to make significant liberalization of the market. I hope I understood correctly with interpretation, as of 1 September 2011, a new law on the auction activity in France, anyone with a diploma can open the auction house without special permission. Trading platforms, the new rules will be able to sell not only used, but new things, expand the range of products admitted to trading. The hammer will even moral rights. It is said to be selling all - until the domain names. Wholesale and retail.
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