I propose to discuss a law on the import and export

[Art Consulting]

Good night all the time.

I want to clarify the situation, as correctly remarked Vladimir

/Legal language that we do not expect, therefore, to build a conversation on an everyday level and to remember complicated cases from practice, the resolution which prevented bureaucratic insanity. So the question: with what bureaucratic insanity, you come across in the procedure of import-export? And specify: why so hard to bring in Russia and no problems owning purchased in America antique Colt? /

Indeed, the break did not build. To say that the law should be changed completely - it means to defer its consideration for an indefinite period, as in this case, someone has to first re-write, and then with all the discussion. I think it is wise to change some provisions in it, then he will be sent back for revision, will give us to agree and adopt the amendment. Moreover, we can discuss and change the situation in simple conversation. And to shift the conversation into a legally scrutinized paragraphs, the task of higher education.

At the moment, we have little time, if you do not meet until Friday action team (in the sense not to be 4-6 people, these people will not have to immediately assemble, simply Graduate School of stake in theme groups, and will be in quiet mode, docked meeting .) If it until Friday virtual group did not arise, they otraportuyut in the government that there was no objection and documents safely accept.
I do not in any way hurried, but the opportunity to float away Friday.

Although this will not prevent all meet and exchange stories of life. I also have something to tell. After Feira and exhibitions, where we helped the customs and import, believe me, there is something to tell :-)

[Art Consulting]

OlgaV,
Here's the first invitation which was sent to me.
Moreover, it is not the first regulations on who makes the Art Consulting expertise, since 2006 we attract and the higher school and Rosokhrankultura and the Ministry and the European Commission.

[fross]

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OlgaV,
Here's the first invitation which was sent to me.
Moreover, it is not the first regulations on who makes the Art Consulting expertise, since 2006 we attract and the higher school and Rosokhrankultura and the Ministry and the European Commission.

And the result? What has changed?

[Art Consulting]

OlgaV,
This was the date of the first round table, to which nobody came. After that, the organizers called me and asked to gather a quorum, I wrote a formal conclusion and sent to high school, so that they staked the topic as requiring discussion. In my first opinion says that this limit will not be able to fully work for many reasons, one of which is the imperfection of the law on import-export, why they, and suggested the topic of discussions to include this issue. Repeat round table, they will appoint to any time before the end of this year, when performing the above conditions.

Here correspondence:

Denis E.,
Thank you received. We still stake a clearing non-existent until the Rules: write a little, please. And necessarily require a signature even 5-6 people behind these conclusions. Then later we can organize a real discussion of issues and to influence the processes that do not know where to go.

Tatiana

 

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Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:19 PM
To: Tatyana Babushkina
Subject: Re: discussion of draft regulations in the Higher School of Economics

 

15.10.08, 13:50, "Tatyana Babushkina"

Dear Denis E.!
In the attached files with an invitation to the new date for the roundtable and the project itself Rules (in case it will need to send your colleagues). If you want, then I can send myself, but then need a list of those who should be invited.
Best regards,
Grandma TG

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fross,
Appeared somewhat correctly administrative regulations, the opportunity really to organize temporary customs area (which was made possible through an Art Feira, if you noticed, they tamozhat directly in the Manege. You ever been the customs directly in your gallery ?:-), appeared though clumsy , the procedure for registration of cultural property during import, and consequently abolished import duties ......

Frankly, I'm tired to shake the air. Apparently, this is not the master's work to change the rules that you do not like, most likely, I'm not at .. No problem, I am not the first to write opinions on such documents himself personally, both from the community as a whole .. adults, everyone has the right to rest and to lament the inadequacy of the law :-)

[Art Consulting]

OlgaV,
Minimum action group, we scored, I think, will return to this issue in the near future, on Monday will be known, will leave it to us Minekonom development or not.

OlgaV,
I definitely see your post and answer all the questions for the weekend.
Sincerely, Denis Lukashin.

[Selene]

Сообщение от OlgaV

why does not the law faculty of Moscow State University, for example. (Until recently, they developed the basic laws)

It never happened. Lawmaking - a much more complicated process. Mgushnyh sometimes asked (for any non-binding opinion) on some issue, but no more.

[Art Consulting]

OlgaV,
Dear Olga,
I looked posts. The text of the invitation, which I posted, there is reference to the site of the program, which operates Graduate School. This link is the answer to your questions. Here it is "http://monitoring.hse.ru.".
Why is instructed high school, most likely because it is closest to the structure of the presidential administration, which she oversees. Plus if you go to the link above, you'll see that the development involves not only the Graduate School.
About the scheme looks like this: The government instructs government agencies (ministries, agencies, service) to draft the necessary document to this body, after the body has developed a document, it passed in high school. High School collects initiative group from the industry, for which the document will act and organize the debate, in order to identify the items or items that require correction. Once the document is discussed and adjustments made, if necessary, the document is sent to a government commission. If adjusting the minimum or not, the document sent to the Ministry of Justice and take. If a lot of adjustments, sends the document back for revision in state bodies. Revised all repeats. In my practice, the public body receiving the document for revision invites those who worked in the initiative group and in conjunction with finalizing the document, so as not to get it back for revision again. In all these procedures are assigned a certain time limit, so infinitely directed to refine the document will not. Likely sanction the officials authority.
I hope that answered your question.
Denis Lukashin.

[Art Consulting]

Сообщение от OlgaV

Dear Denis /artconsulting,

Thank you for your response that everything does not respond.

Dear Olga,
Regarding the project, I can only reply in my understanding of the question, I'm still not the organizer, and the same party to the initiative group, as you do. I think you and the rest members of the initiative group, will have the opportunity to ask questions directly to the organizers of the roundtable.

Thank you very much for taking the opportunity to participate in the discussion. I after November 27, will be in Moscow, get back to higher education and agree with all the date for the roundtable.

[Евгений]

Сообщение от Art Consulting

the organizers of the roundtable.

.. Absolutely no sense, yet the basis of a paper on Stalin's cultural values and private ownership of art ignored completely irrelevant to sense changes will not give, empty hot air ..
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The basis must take the law on cultural property which is developed in the EU countries, http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showpo...mp;postcount=5
Naturally you can make add-ons (the ban on the export of icons, relics of the king, a couple of paragraphs and all).
We must finally understand the law, must protect the interests of Russian citizens, collectors, gallery owners, auction houses in Russia, but officials (ros.ohrany) and customs officers.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от OlgaV

Eugene!
I will not, if we are on the old "Sov" habit, we all talk to each other, "the kitchen". Never we will not have civil society. If at least 0,001%of the results of the proposed discussion will be heard "legislators" - a good thing.
For collectors we heard - and a tax on imports reduced.
So even "nowhere" is worth hearing and speaking in a loud voice.

I agree completely and I am confident that the good of the discussion will be. And that sense that it is necessary, as all dream and sigh at the same time.