Can a fake without a market?

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Both require the highest professionalism!

I would say-arhivysochayshego, old arhivysochayshego!

[Тютчев]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

I would say-arhivysochayshego, old arhivysochayshego!
This work is very daunting and requires limiting stress of all human powers!

[AlexanderG]

Fernand Leger - delal Corot
Andrea del Sarto - delal Raphaels
Rembrandt - delal Holbeins
Rubens - Leonardo
Goya - Flaxman

Vsio eto budet v tsene na rynke.

Chto privodit nas k sleduiuschemu voprosu: hudoznik sdelal klassnuiu rabotu polnost'iu sovpadaiuschuiu po stiliu, tehnike materialam itd s izvestneishim i doroguschim hudoznikom, i bez vsiakih slov otdal ee expertam. Oni podtverdili podlinnost '. Auktsion prodal. Kto est 'kto? Hudoznik nichego ne govoril i ni na chiom ne nastaival.

[Тютчев]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Fernand Leger - delal Corot
Andrea del Sarto - delal Raphaels
Rembrandt - delal Holbeins
Rubens - Leonardo
Goya - Flaxman

Vsio eto budet v tsene na rynke.

Chto privodit nas k sleduiuschemu voprosu: hudoznik sdelal klassnuiu rabotu polnost'iu sovpadaiuschuiu po stiliu, tehnike materialam itd s izvestneishim i doroguschim hudoznikom, i bez vsiakih slov otdal ee expertam. Oni podtverdili podlinnost '. Auktsion prodal. Kto est 'kto? Hudoznik nichego ne govoril i ni na chiom ne nastaival.

You want to say that if people believe that the forgery of a genuine thing, then he is guilty? Then what may be a claim to the dealers who sell falshakami?

"Anyone can offend an artist» ©

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от Tjutchev

You want to say that if people believe that the forgery of a genuine thing, then he is guilty? Then what may be a claim to the dealers who sell falshakami?

Ne sovsem tak. Naprimer vy unasledovali old master's risunok. Kak on byl proizveden i popal v sem'iu vy ne znaete. Vy hotite ego prodat 'i nesiote na ekspertizu. Ekspertiza podtverzdaet podlinnost '. Vy nesete na prodazu i prodaiote, kak risunok takogo-to hudoznika, ssylaias' na zakliuchenie ekspertov.

Vsio v poriadke?

Zdes 'opiat' voznikaet vopros, za chto my platim den'gi.
Odinakovye po razmeru, esteticheskim kachestvam, vozrastu i materialam kartiny mogur stoit 'po-raznomu.

A dilery s fal'shakami eto drugoi vopros. K nim ia ne otnoshus' polozitel'no, ravno, kak i ne pereotsenivaiu znachenie ekspertizy.

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Сообщение от Tjutchev

 
This assumption I made in order to put the following questions. Violate a moral norm of modern (and not only) social

Moral'nye normy? Kto ih ustanovil? Ne vse hudozniki imeiut shans raskrutit'sia i daze vystavit'sia, hotia raboty ih ne huze vysokotsenimyh (material'no). Nu konechno ze zlo beriot!


artist, who agreed to the proposal to write the work in a creative manner commercially successful colleagues (his contemporary, or long dead)? One of the conditions of such proposal is the observance of all the material - technical reasons, including the presence of a simulated signature of the artist or the absence of a signature at all (the lack of signature is possible to level to its existence) in the absence of any kind have been hints that it is a fake? Who is the artist? Is there something that justifies it in our eyes? Or he's a criminal, without the right to forbearance?

 Ad in the newspaper:

Ego opravdyvaet suschestvovanie rynka. Suschestvovanie ekspertov, suschestvovanie zelaiuschih vstupit 'v sdelku itd. Obosnovat 'mozno, chto ugodno.

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Kstati, ia schitaiu, chto platit '$ 150.000.000 za kartinu eto amoral'no (mozem podiskutirovat' na etu temu ) No eto fakt i snim prihoditsia schitat'sia. K estetike i artu eto otnosheniia ne imeet, eto volchii oskal rynka !

S vvedeniem philosophii "pobeditel 'poluchaet vsio", ischezaiut serebriannye i bronzovye medali. Eto vediot k eschio bol'shemu rassloeniiu obschestva i unichtozeniiu srednedo klassa, kotoryi iavliaetsia osnovnoi oporoi gosudarstva.

Mogu prodolzit ', v bytnost' svoiu pisal na etu temu esse po novoi nalogovoi politike NZ.

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Сообщение от mihailovoh

Menya long exactly this question interisoval-whether my work kleverkov * * with the native signature S Klever be considered authentic. (Although on luxury provenans.ekspertizy GTG.Grabarya)
Naverno.kto thrill and for his Ayvazovski?

Poskol'ku ekspertiza (stilisticheskaia) i istoriia iskusstv, est 'sut' obmen mneniiami, to mozno schitat 'eti raboty podlinnymi. Mnenie GTG v dannom voprose, vyshe vashego individual'nogo.

Zamknutyi krug. Za chto borolis', na to i naporolis'.

Na vas otvetstvennost 'ne lezit. Vy obratilis' k ekspertam.

[mihailovoh]

AlexanderG,
 The logic veschey.vinovaty zakonodateli.tk. is an ordinary fraud and mass distribution was still in the early 20th veka.a now become a business fraud.
A first person (or yourself if hudozhnik.diller collector ...) conceiving adventure with forgery.
Blame eksperty.ne suggest principles for the unique skills and rules examination.
Dealers have information about the doubts and did not put this to the buyer.
The artist performs under the order ..... did not put their signatures or put not his.
To blame the collector is hardly possible, we are all a little crazy and willing to hope for a miracle and end up postradavshimi.Nelzya blame the sponsors for their populyarnost.tk.s one hand, this recognition of their talanta.a with other damage to their imedzhu to the future.

[Seriy]

IMHO, no damage to the great masters of forgery does not cause-forge key work? - Picasso's Guernica, or Ivan the Terrible kills his son Ivan? falsify the second or third series of the artist's works, something nondescript, gray mouse to slip ... And if the collectors bought work guided only by their artistic value, it would be no problem at all there was ...

[AlexanderG]

Mihailovoh To est 'vinit' nekogo, krome zakonodatelei?

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Сообщение от Seriy

IMHO, no damage to the great masters of forgery does not cause-forge key work? - Picasso's Guernica, or Ivan the Terrible kills his son Ivan?

Kraine redko, hotia primery est '.

falsify the second or third series of the artist's works, something nondescript, gray mouse to slip ... And if the collectors bought work guided only by their artistic value, then no problem at all was not ...

Sovershenno soglasen. I kak ia govoril ranee, rynok voprosami estetiki, kul'tury, hudozestvennoi tsennosti ne ozabochen. Vzamen - investitsii, raskrutki itd.

[Seriy]

Legislation, but there is a view, probably the Penal Code, deals with concrete, tangible things.

-You sell now? ie, canvas or cardboard, on which was written paints a cat? cat in there? yes. canvas with paint on it in stock? yes.
-And on that complaining? -It was said that she was at the Palace Shumunshi the Grand Prince Grigory Ivanovich, but in fact she lay in a communal city Mytischi, so I want it back.
-Citizen, the picture on your hands? cat on the spot? yes. -Go and do not bother everyone's head.

Sale and bought the picture and its consumer qualities are reflected on its front side. As they say in Ukraine-Bachyly eyes, kupuvaly sho ... Everything else-provenance, authorship, the value of a specific day of the year, things are so vague that no one ever, the law will not connect.

[Fed]

Сообщение от Seriy

fake second or third series of the artist's works, something nondescript, gray mouse to slip ... And if the collectors bought work guided only by their artistic value, it would be no problem at all there was ...

  I think - this is an error, connected with the lack of real stat.dannyh of forgeries in museums and, especially, - collections. Here's an example - the famous producer of counterfeits Madame John.
   His main problem, was the provenance. But this problem to the dealer agreed to. Units sold 300 paintings by famous artists in the 19-20v.v. An article on the http://www.ogoniok.com/4972/27/