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[Iren1974]

Сообщение от Sergey

ranzher, Dear RANZHER, recall a similar situation ...

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Oleg Tselkov. "A man with a lemon. "1962.

 Estimate: 50-70 thousand pounds
Forecast AI: below the estimate, rather, "not sold"
Result: 109.250 thousand pounds
Comment: A very strange Tselkov. On the one hand, recognizable and comfortable size. On the other - very unusual for the plot (that for a man with a lemon?) And the country's palette. Perhaps an explanation of - the year of establishment, 1962 first. Early Tselkov, very rare. This is interesting, and in this lies the problem: he has not yet become "so rubles, it is felt. Therefore, the prospects of this item AI looks with moderate pessimism. Perhaps the price will not reach the lower estimate (70 thousand pounds) or the thing will remain unsold. Fight for it is unlikely to be: good work Tsalkova on Russian bid will exhibit plenty of ...


Information and the official word on a possible forgery.

Dissection of the formal features have not convinced me.
In "Men with lemon" is also uneven color banner,
cheerless palette, different anatomy ...
Unusually for Tsalkova and writing, the creation of work on the front side (in the lower left corner - 62) ...

The presence of the canvas and held in very great demand (even then), an artist, I think, should not be cause for concern. Things could be situational, as in not less underground Anatoly Zverev (with which God has granted me a drink of creative anguish and port).

 Formally folding carpenter meter difficult to measure even the "Red Square" by Malevich - in contrast to the black he scalene.

But this argument idle.

My argument remains the same - could not the president of International Federation of Artists - Edward Drobitsky provide for the display of original Belenko, Nemukhin etc. and counterfeiting rubles. Shortage in the author's work was not.
Then, why? Why was it necessary to drag her out of Moscow in the Chernobyl zone in the exhibition "The Age of the gene. In transit through Kiev and Chernobyl, on the territory of which I wore it on hand, as an icon with the face of a clown king of heaven?
(The rest of the left from the station in a container, and this low-dimensional stayed with the group was met and a helicopter - Kiev Chernobyl - Korosten - got to the exhibition). Participants of the festival "Chernobyl Russ, 96." and international creative action "atomic world. 10 years of radioactive flood" did not doubt the authenticity of the "Portraits of a flower."
It was all true except for a nuclear explosion.
(In my performance "The tree of death" - was activated by a TNT staff army simulator atomic bomb.)

There are informal indications. Admit that I was able to persuade only further Oleg. But why?
Who believes that the proposal has a chance to write.

Sergius.

This work was presented to you personally or that the Chernobyl oranizatsii?

[сергий]

Сообщение от Iren1974

This work was presented to you personally or that the Chernobyl oranizatsii?

Iren1974, this work is presented to me personally from hand to hand to my teacher and friend academician of painting (then President of International Federation of Artists), the bright memory of Edward N. Drobitsky 26 April 1996. at the close of the exhibition of avant-garde paintings of artists of Russia and Ukraine, "The era of the gene in the city Korosten (third Chernobyl zone. Ukraine).

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Eugene, you're right, necessarily addressed.

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Konstantin, will be responsible grateful for the opportunity to contact rubles.

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Сообщение от Sergey

agree that I was able to persuade only further Oleg. But why?
Who believes that the proposal has a chance to write.

Dear Sergei, your words seem somewhat ambiguous. It is not clear you want to have the conclusion of the artist or not. If you want I can send them a photo of your pictures (this time of the year until mid-January Oleg usually holds in his Burgundian estate), then this picture with his conclusion will post here on the forum.

Now about your question.
If we put aside such arguments in favor of the authenticity of the picture as TNT staff army bomb simulator and Drinking a creative yearning and port with Anatoly T. Zverev, it is your boundless faith in the concerns of Mr. Drobitsky authenticity of the paintings at one of the many exhibitions-yourself federation, no less faith in the that the 28-year-old artist Tselkov in 1962 was quite in demand, and probably in your logic has access to private distributors.

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By demand? Same as he Zaborova and Koshkurevichem at twenty who purchased freshly made pictures from an old friend? Zaborova had more, and hide his painting of the pope - respectable Soviet artist.
 
Who really was in demand from this circle of artists, so this Oscar Yakovlevich Rabin since 1965 and a few names of so-called "diparta. By O. Rabin for the painting was part and firm prices for all three formats, which he enjoyed.
Oleg Tselkov in this circle is not included.

Once a joke Oleg that he had not always been painting for money, for example, self-portraits or portraits of his wife, his wife, Tonya joke answered: "Not a single painting you did for free. Do not forget how many years I have fed you. "
Legends of its excess supply in Soviet times, vastly exaggerate the reality.

Information on how the artist lived and worked at that time, including what material is used, told them in countless published interviews. And Witness life around him confirmed.

What is due, dear Sergius, your idea of omniscience and crystal purity of Mr. Drobitsky? Maybe this is the magic sequence of these words - President of the International Federation of Artists? Why Drobitsky should be the case before it is fake or not? And why should he understand the work they despised the artist, who by that time almost 20 years living abroad?

Not want to give response to Mr. Drobitsky, but recall an episode from his biography. During the Perestroika he gathered the artists work for it had organized in the West, particularly in France, Russian auctions. Auctions were held, and many deliverer did not receive any money or work.

And the remark on Information formal ... smelled the Sov-barracks park. Soon 20 years as no country, and faith of its former citizens in the printed word, any institution is alive and well.
Why, Sergius, because you just can stitch these forecasts! It may be less coherent, may be more, but they both say "official" would be quite the same. Or do you think that the information published on this site - the ultimate truth? Then I sincerely white envy envy drafter forecasts.

By the way, just read this and saw that among other parsed lots appear forgery - landscape Baranova-Rossini. Yet credit is due predictors - he still felt something was wrong in this lot. A case, I must say, was not easy, especially on the image on the monitor.

[сергий]

Сообщение от ranzher

My dear Sergius, your words seem somewhat ambiguous. It is not clear you want to have the conclusion of the artist or not. If you want I can send them a photo of your pictures (this time of the year until mid-January Oleg usually holds in his Burgundian estate), then this picture with his conclusion will post here on the forum.

Now about your question.
If we put aside such arguments in favor of the authenticity of the picture as TNT staff army bomb simulator and Drinking a creative yearning and port with Anatoly T. Zverev, it is your boundless faith in the concerns of Mr. Drobitsky authenticity of the paintings at one of the many exhibitions-yourself federation, no less faith in the that the 28-year-old artist Tselkov in 1962 was quite in demand, and probably in your logic has access to private distributors.

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By demand? Same as he Zaborova and Koshkurevichem at twenty who purchased freshly made pictures from an old friend? Zaborova had more, and hide his painting of the pope - respectable Soviet artist.
 
Who really was in demand from this circle of artists, so this Oscar Yakovlevich Rabin since 1965 and a few names of so-called "diparta. By O. Rabin for the painting was part and firm prices for all three formats, which he enjoyed.
Oleg Tselkov in this circle is not included.

Once a joke Oleg that he had not always been painting for money, for example, self-portraits or portraits of his wife, his wife, Tonya joke answered: "Not a single painting you did for free. Do not forget how many years I have fed you. "
Legends of its excess supply in Soviet times, vastly exaggerate the reality.

Information on how the artist lived and worked at that time, including what material is used, told them in countless published interviews. And Witness life around him confirmed.


What is due, dear Sergius, your idea of omniscience and crystal purity of Mr. Drobitsky? Maybe this is the magic sequence of these words - President of the International Federation of Artists? Why Drobitsky should be the case before it is fake or not? And why should he understand the work they despised the artist, who by that time almost 20 years living abroad?

Not want to give response to Mr. Drobitsky, but recall an episode from his biography. During the Perestroika he gathered the artists work for it had organized in the West, particularly in France, Russian auctions. Auctions were held, and many deliverer did not receive any money or work.


And the remark on Information formal ... smelled the Sov-barracks park. Soon 20 years as no country, and faith of its former citizens in the printed word, any institution is alive and well.
Why, Sergius, because you just can stitch these forecasts! It may be less coherent, may be more, but they both say "official" would be quite the same. Or do you think that the information published on this site - the ultimate truth? Then I sincerely white envy envy drafter forecasts.

By the way, just read this and saw that among other parsed lots appear forgery - landscape Baranova-Rossini. Yet credit is due predictors - he still felt something was wrong in this lot. A case, I must say, was not easy, especially on the image on the monitor.

ranzher,

sorry, but read and remembered the story Shukshina - "cut". I respect the pressure!

Thank you for the burgundy version. I want to have a conclusion, Oleg Nikolayevich about the authenticity of the picture and has been doing that. In that case, if I fail,
turn to you.

Do not hesitated to answer. He remembered how the same pressure I pressed
KGB investigator in the city of Surgut in 1980 for dissent and sedition.

Now, on the merits of the topic. Someone else's job to sell the first time. All situationally. Sorry if that ... Word against the word. Nothing to you personally.

Here in my hands catalog "February 1995. Exhibition of paintings on Gogol Boulevard.
20 years later.
19-28 February 1995.
The exhibition was dedicated to the 20 anniversary of the painting exhibition of avant-garde artists in the pavilion at VDNH beekeeping in 1975.
In this directory on the 16th page of etching O. Tsalkova. "Composition" 1980. 35 x 45.

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Artists exhibited:
P. Belenok, N. Vechtomov, E. Drobitskiy, A. Zverev, O. Kandaurov, D. Krasnopevtsev
V. Kropivnitskaya, L. Masterkova, V. Nemukhin, D. Plavinsky, Tselkov,
E. Steinberg, A. Yulikov, V. Yakovlev, V. Yankilevsky and others.
Results in the catalog of the 81-th of the author.
Excuse my immodesty, I was there by one ds works. This is to ensure that I know, not from the press, it is quite normal attitude Drobitsky to rubles. And the exhibition and catalog - his direct initiative and the issue.

Granted, the experience of the first export of works of the shovel behind the curtain - uneven.
From failure to return to work auctions and exhibitions in Paris, Madrid, Hamburg, I myself
suffered in those days, in part. But there were I think some technical reasons.
What comes back immediately, something with a delay of six months, something prpadalo. I, my fault on the other will not say I do not know. But Drobitsky, I assure you, nothing to do with. He does not plow in the measure and is always sought after, and secured - why? Believe me, I know. We then worked together every day for years.

International Federation of Artists is a legitimate organization that grew out of the Moscow of the Joint Committee of Graphic Artists,
(exhibition halls in the basements of the Little Georgian), identity cards, which saved us "unemployed" artists from the article for parasitism. Then, in 1990. registering
federation, we simply pulled out from the odious sovdepovskogo union of artists rights and opportunities - and he rested on the Bose. I write all this is likely to outsiders, you who hope in the course of those events?

As for the reduced forecast for the "Man with a lemon" - pay attention to the words in it that in 1962. Early Tselkov has not yet become "so rubles, but that he had an early interest and valuable. And I said extrinsic to the maestro, the writing of job on the front side. I would not categorically on contentious formal criteria to determine authenticity. Fakes works - not a rarity. Repeats too.
On steel discrepancies in our understanding of the issues, silent.

On the life of Oleg Nikolayevich Tsalkova know very little about the degree of demand
it while I admit, I had in mind that it still was, and it might well enough to get once a year, half a meter of cloth.
 And I, in my time of the eighties, had the same problem with the canvas and stretcher. I gave more than selling symbolically. And in special shops was not well received, but not always have to write on hardboard. Once, twice a year and canvas appeared.

While everyone got a scoop, but the patient always beat his. Artists, steeper than the artist, no one could eat. On okolotvorcheskih spices and say nothing.

For me cost - the asphalt is not rolled, but the grandmother with a scythe had seen more than once. The way on the pavement. If you recall, in May 1991 at the Manege in the first free exhibition of this magnitude so in such a place, moreover, garbage, she stated with such rampant name - "Manege - U.S. Congress," I built this in a multi-ton installation of asphalt debris, a bombed-simulated floor makes his way from under him live grass. (The exhibition was organized Drobitsky, and held her federation.). Artists Ivan abramgardisty broke from Georgia in the cellars of the Small Manege,
together with us for hundreds and hundreds of colleagues from throughout the empire. (Scoop still breathing steadily).

TNT, the port and creative urge is not all my sins, but the arguments in favor of the authenticity of the picture, to me they are not directly exposed.

Immeasurably distressed if "Portrait of a flower" 55,5 x 43,5 will not original, but be happy at the same time infinitely from what is not got involved in the problem. And believe me, for me, will not matter who among us could not see counterfeits (if such it be) - the late-day Drobitsky or I? It is important to not get stuck - do not sell fake.
What and lead the conversation. Do not you?
 
There is still no doubt the authenticity of the work, and you the sincerity of your interpretations.
Works Tsalkova adore. Here are devoted to his characters:
"Maestro srezhet masks with persons
the eyes between the buttocks,
yet fell down
before them the bird. "

His work is beyond our reasoning about them. Or not?
It is my firm conviction, creativity and everything connected with it, not only lives, but also the way of reconciliation with her.

Sincerely yours, Sergius.
Bring to your attention the work Drobitsky. (UFO) .1978 g. canvas. oil. 120 x 180.
Loading capacity in denying the attraction.

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Сообщение от ranzher

He's sticking it to the aviation plywood, which is subscribed to by his father at a factory in Tushino allegedly for the needs of Horticultural house.
Special glue for such purposes, too, was only in the SC, so you had to use food gelatin, bought with hard kilograms in grocery stores.

The Crimean now vmsyat two things Tsalkova-Portrait with a knife and still-life 56-year-all on the canvas normal, and no such equipment, "sticking it to the aviation plywood not see ...

[Seriy]

Not for rubles, and on the canvas. In the fabric shop was full of linen and pure and in mixtures with cotton. Nothing prevented him buy (such as a restriction on one piece of footage was 10 m) and blot. Joiner's glue was on sale, chalk, too. Of wood not a problem. That's normal, and left the canvas. I used to do that in the early 70's, and large - such as 150x200. Wisit still like new.
Crinoline bought not because of the unique qualities, but because of its cheapness - the same Tekhniki tissue, unlike linen flax.

[observer]

I am also not about rubles. On the 1962nd. Store shelves bursting with abundance. Fabrics - and linen, and wool, and cotton, and even fildepersovye. Live is getting easier and easier, more and more elated. And twenty years later came communism.

You, young man, in the year, how old was it? -5?

[Тютчев]

Сообщение от ranzher

Someone noticed that the narcissistic self-assurance and bragging is inversely proportional to intelligence and knowledge.

What hlestakovsky pressure in semi-literate "seer" poet! He made, and almost apologizing while not rating, but still a collector (!), In passing, let the condescending remark to the elderly, distinguished artist and not at all against the background of persistent narcissism and samovoshischeniya. Come "maestro" all have long understood that your adoration and love for himself more than mutual.

Throughout the theme is nothing but unsubstantiated allegations, any argument on the merits.

But the thing is that the "professional" Tjutchev not say no! In his "analysis" we have not seen any « of the » or «thought».

Really do not know, Monsieur Ranjith p, what causes so many dispensed to me derogatory epithets. What made you so upset? Perhaps I unconsciously set in motion some very deep underlying mental mechanisms? Look at how much hostility you are there! You call me "Khlestakov", meaning, perhaps, such quality as "bluster", "idle talk" and "deceit"? Right there you call me "illiterate" and "narcissistic" impudent. Frankly, I did not understand what reason have you to ascribe such qualities to me? But I am sure that the expression of this can be explained only by a very strong passion which burns inside you, not one day! And maybe weeks or even months! And finally you are broke, as stubble, burned quickly, not giving no light, no heat ...

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Of course, God only knows what kind of passion enslaved your mind? But I think you are experiencing something similar to that experienced Salieri to Mozart (Release Pushkin).

     "... And now - he will say - I now
     Envious. I envy you, deeply
     Agonizing envy. - O heaven!
     Where rightness, when a sacred gift,
     When the immortal genius - not a reward
     Burning love, selfless
     Proceedings, zeal, prayers sent --
     A madman's head lights up,
     Guliako idle? O Mozart, Mozart !...»

     
Perhaps you, like Salieri could not understand the nature of the genius of Mozart, can not comprehend how you can "see" the original works, to distinguish them from counterfeit. I understand you perfectly, because such abilities in a fairly advanced form occurs quite rare, even among professionals. This is akin to how someone with very good hearing, hears the hypocrisy in the performance of a complex musical piece. Nobody is in the head does not come to wonder whether that is possible. I appreciate also the fact that it is difficult to measure a person that someone opened a higher level of differentiation. You excruciatingly painful to see how what a "speculator" reveals the forum falshaki, without taking into account the cloves, signature, stretchers, holstiki and other minor things. Wounded your professional pride! In a rage you can not cope with their emotions, and put in the darkest words that only you can afford at the forum, throws at me all that poisons you from the inside. Beware, this passion can destroy! It is bordered by bezumeem ... Do not let her!
  
     "... No! I can not resist, I share
     My fate: I am elected, so it
     Stop - do not we all died
     We are all priests, ministers of music,
     I am not the one with my dull glory ...
     What good, if Mozart is still alive
     And even reach new heights?
     Whether it will rise to art? No;
     It will fall again, as it disappears:
     Heir we will not leave it.
     What good is it? Like a cherub,
     He is poised to us a few songs of paradise,
     So that, angering wingless desire
     In us, the little ones ashes, after the fly!
          So fly away! sooner the better ... "

     "... You fall asleep
     For a long time, Mozart! But Surely he is right,
     And I'm not a genius? Genius and villainy
     The two are incompatible. True:
     A Bonarotti? or a fairy tale
     Stupid senseless crowd - and was not
     Murderer creator of the Vatican? "

Do not torment yourself, ranzher, who knows, maybe you are able to "see", but do not know about it! You may be out of shyness can not recognize itself in these abilities? Be bold! I'm sure you work ... Dare ...

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Сообщение от Tjutchev

But I think you are experiencing something similar to that experienced Salieri to Mozart

Exactly: ranzher-Salieri, Tjutchev-Mozart ...

What depth!
What courage and what harmony!
You, Mozart, God, and himself did not know;
I know I am. (c)

[Тютчев]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Specifically: ranzher-Salieri, Tjutchev-Mozart ...

Well, this is too much ... But, I will not hide, it is nice. Thank you ...