Dialog Masters and Art Consulting

[мистер-у]

I propose to summarize the story started on the Art Consulting, its guarantees of compensation for the "erroneous" expertise, etc. Having the experience of collecting for 15 years, only 19 in Russian painting. I loudly declare that all the experts are wrong, regardless of rank.

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Each expert, even the most eminent is entitled to a mistake, if it happened unintentionally. Remember the period from 1992 to 2000 During this period, studied by experts, studied, and collectors. Errors were allowed a lot. After rethinking this period and good faith of experts (do without names), I not bring myself to say nasty in their direction. Yes, I brought work to receive an opinion hung on the wall and "kayfoval. Through time, the euphoria disappeared, much of the work turned out to be counterfeit at the time. In particular, Levitan, Vasil'ev, Yu Clover senior. I repeat that pattern I no "vtyuhival" I myself find them. Sorry, but I have nobody to have pritenzii and that's why! Magazine "Antique Review» № 1 for 2005, page 78 "... resume the bidding at the proper level with the help of experienced professionals in Petrograd - Alexander Benois, P. Neradovsky, V. Shchavinskaya, S. Yaremich. Extremely interesting they made records that are most relevant to our topic - expert advice, preparation of catalogs, correspondence with the commissioner, etc. Some of these documents (1919 - 1920 gg.). Yaremich commissioner Vedernikov. On examination it turned out that the number of items submitted by the following items removed from auction sales, as clearly do not meet the title, according to the catalog number 74. Levitan "Forgotten Gates», № 103 Vasiliev Ochakov », № 148 Zichy's Confessions», № 179 Salvo. Rosa "Landscape". All the aforesaid objects are not even remotely related to the name with which they identified. The Commission is extremely inappropriate to transfer the catalog names of specially invited experts. Committee OPKh bears full responsibility for the unit auctions, and the only body that certifies the authenticity of things delivered to the auction in the halls OPKh is an expert commission, elected from among their fellow members the Committee of the Company. V. Szczawiński - commissioner Aleksandrov. It does not match the artists to withdraw from the auction number 302 Diaz, № 321 Zhuravlev, № 322 Bogolyubov Sea view », № 298 Dangauer Peter 1 on his deathbed», № 366 Khrutsky, № № 254 and 306 - under the name and Inappropriate signed K. Bryullov, № 342 - the same Repin, № 297 - copy of a Rembrandt self-portrait, № 318 - "Wassailers Solomatkin, № 126 - signed Borovikovsky, № 326 - signed Hrutskits, № 246 - signed by Serov, № 50 "Waterfall in Tivoli - noted in the catalog" copy », № 74 - remove signature attributed Venetsianov and write" old Russian school », № 322 - removed from the frame label" Zaryanko "and in the catalog mentioned" an unknown Russian artist. Extremely laconic observations AP Neradovsky Trade Directory of 1919 it marks the October 4 number 357 "Horses" sketch. cop. Kovalevsky - forgery, № 357 "Winter Landscape" fast ice. Levitan - not Levitan. Number 191 Villevalde "Portrait" (m) - forged signature, № 179 Bruni - unknown. artist. In the same style preferred to be relevant papers relating to the auction material, and A Benoit. Such stringent measures to prevent "falshakov" to bid OPKh, of course, is not fully resolved the question of expelling them from the St. Petersburg traffic. These things are implemented in the field easier - all in the same markets, in shops, inexpensive shops. Walker sold out, they finally, and with countless NEP sales. That such an article. Interesting truth. So why blame the experts who were wrong in good faith with us?? Many of my friends "coward" re-examine the work of Bogoliubov, Lagorio, Levitan, etc. And you want to find the courage to once and for all get rid of illusions. Rubbish place in a landfill. The money is of course no Art Consulting will not return, he's good faith mistaken for nedoumiyu. I am sure that no institution with the expertise of world renown and high insurance does not pay anyone anything - this is a bluff. Plead with you all my life and spend on lawyers, not one hundred thousand green. By forumchan note: my good friend Dmitry Severyukhin published a very insightful book "Old art Petersburg. This book describes the auctions end the first half of the 19. No work is exhibited without expert opinion. Forged at that time, in particular Karl Briullov.

[Sandro]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Sandro, and you used in its place would do something about it? I am here, this omission became suspicious. In my opinion, there were nuances of this story.

The article is written, "he turned to the police, but unfortunately, nobody has been able to win the court, and often just open the case at this level dealers. And about the nuances, here (the forum) all know that Bryullov with "Grabar" sell worthless!

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Сообщение от Sandro

nobody has been able to win the court, and often just open the case on a level dealers.

Know some examples?

[Sandro]

Examples know, basically, even before the court does not reach - the picture-not the one that brought the dealer - I only know the name, etc.
And at the expense It's - is widely known that the "serious" people went to the principle, although my attitude to them is not positive, but in the last reported case was the opposite order, and came under igidu another instance, so-that this case has not yet completed.

[Art Consulting]

Meister,
Let me summarize, on the topic.

I fully agree with the fact that the bulk of Antiquaries exactly as experts, people are decent and do not in any way would not hurt us here, or detract from their dignity. I am confident that people gather at the forum ready to openly discuss any issues and problems.

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Once you analyze the specified example, and I hope to close this topic. I propose to move to actual examples. You are constantly confused with the history of art technical and technological analysis. If we have the technology in a subject, and it showed that the product of 50-ies of the 20 century, and the author died in the 30's, art historians, even recognized throughout the world, if it is, of course, is of sound mind, to argue meaningless. Art criticism is subjective, and the technology is based on scientifically proven facts, is the instrument and the person who determines the composition of matter, there is scientific data on the synthesis and output in the production of a substance. As an art critic can argue with that? We had several precedents in which we disagreed with Western experts or foundations. And several times we double-checking in Western laboratories, once in the Russian Museum, and once in the laboratory of Ministry of Internal Affairs. Experts of all organizations to confirm our results. I'm talking about conflict situations. In working order, we certainly double-checking every third :-)

Once, on a very expensive work, it was the opposite view of Western experts and iron provenance. We ourselves are amazed that we shall not be borne at the time (the client asked for a selective few sheets from the album). At first thought it was a very deep restoration, but then, everything was decided by itself. It turned out that in the album, which was handed over to us, original works only on the first three pages, the rest were craftsmen dorisovany later, after his death, when the album came out of the family. But the provenance, it is passed on the album, who would have thought that he was not dorisovan author, and later took advantage of this, dorisovav, very professionally for another 10 sheets :-)

Second time, brought the provenance and the conclusion of a certain stock. Work with us flying on all components. Oil-synthetics (age about 10 years), pigments - after 36 years. Later, when dissatisfied customers turned to the fund, and sent a photograph, the fund confirmed the work and met with us suing, but then apparently made the request, withdrew his claim. We asked representatives of ... What is the reason? It turned out that found the original. He safely stored in one of the European collections, and they brought us to the forgery, but the identity of a stock issued under the original.

And each time it was very difficult to convince the owners, of course, they did not believe that this can happen is with their work, despite the documents and provenance.

Regarding our sinlessness, I fully agree with Mr-y, wrong everything. Do not mistake only someone who does nothing. We have over five years, several times wrong, wrong three times in the art, and twice wrong technologists. We technologists, once was a bug in report generation, purely administrative and once on the road (a lot of work, it was not possible to bring it to the laboratory) it was not possible to make the UV and X-ray, the work was greatly zarestavrirovana, and all samples were in the restoration . Then we had to carry on the export of all equipment and to take thin sections, because the work was not "living" space. We are lucky to have clients in most cases there was no problem, and they did not use this case and did not try to take advantage of our mistake, for which they bow. In one of the same cases, we will refund the customer the cost of transportation and reekspertizoy. That was our mistake but, unfortunately, it was impossible to provide an art historian has found the objective historical data and changed his mind.

[Meister]

Thanks for interesting examples)) I think that each of us has denounced his ideas, and we more or less came to the conclusion ... from a sincere hope that your technology will be improved and the percentage of errors will be reduced to the very minimum ... Art Market ooooooooooooooooochen need quality examination ... and in our interest to facilitate this)

[Art Consulting]

Meister,

Amen))

[dedulya37]

Art Consulting,
Could you tell us about your base paint layer samples of paintings of different artists and how this database to get "simple posthumous" artist?

[Самвел]

I recently heard, honestly do not remember who spoke, but I thought he was a serious person. And he said that after the use of atomic weapons, has changed the composition of water, and ekspkrtize work after 40, would already be clearly allocated. He spoke hesitantly, t e are waiting, as it were, this podtverdeniya gipotezy.Nikto not heard about this?

[Allena]

Сообщение от Samvel

after the use of atomic weapons, has changed the composition of water, and ekspkrtize work after 40, would already be clearly allocated

Samvel! It just read about it in the news here on the site! But when it is - it is better not ask me ... I think in the summer. Tomorrow will try to search in the archives. If found, ссылочку lay out.