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[Meister]

AlexanderG, to provide, please, thoughts and answers, and then we have to understand where your, and where my. the more you have and translit write.

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Da nichego strashnogo ne sluchitsia, upadut v tsene, mozno budet horosho prikupit '.

buying such a way Coca-Cola or BP is not weak can fly. I do not think you need to explain why.

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Esli by hotel s vami pobodat'sia, to ustroil by skandal, tak, kak eto fraza mozet byt 'istolkovana, kak obvinenie vo lzi. Bud'te ostorozny.

I do not vedus of scandals, I'm not interested.

Сообщение от AlexanderG

1. Za restavratsiiu chasto berut 10-15%ot stoimosti kartiny, inogda bol'she. Vo mnogih muzeiuh i chastnyh kollektsiiah eto osnovnoi rashod.

Restoration is the specific money, and does not depend on the value of the picture, but from the complexity of the work.

Сообщение от AlexanderG

2. Daze v auktsionnyh domah%prodavtsa vyshe, au dillera on mozet dostigat '50%

sell through galleries (in Russia there is little trade, but they already have). Only unscrupulous dealers in Russia, such interest in the world the percentage of the mediator is 10%.

Сообщение от AlexanderG

3. Osobo dorogie kartiny hraniat v bankovskih hranilischah, cto stoit, i izgotavlivaiut kopii dli steny, chto toze stoit.

Storage paintings worth $ 3-5 a day. in the year it turns out $ 1500 if work is expensive and costs more than $ 1 million, these costs are insignificant.

Сообщение от AlexanderG

4. Strahovka - ne soglasen, v etom sluchae pri pozare i navodnenii nichego ne ostanetsia.

Fire can be insured - a cheap price. flood??? Well this is a quite strange. in general, collections in the homes are not insured.

Сообщение от AlexanderG

5. Horoshaia kollektsiia privlekaet chastnogo kuratora ili registratora - eto stoit.

under serious collection - this is not high costs. If there is a collection of small and inexpensive work, the curator and, moreover, the registrar is not required.

Сообщение от AlexanderG

6. Katalogizatsiia kollektsii ne besplatna.

Let's start with that, what is needed cataloging? usually when it is done, the aim pursued promotion and PR collections, including for resale. In this case, the costs are justified, and very well compensated.

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Сообщение от AlexanderG

Istoriia takogo ne pokazyvaet.

Shows. Compare prices for 70-80's and today.

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Pod rukoi net, a iskat 'seichas ne hochu. LCR znaet, Kirill toze.

If you do not remember them, then why bring as proof of this argument? It seems this little known minor artists, once you do not remember them.

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Сообщение от Veronic

In general, the world graphics and watercolor are much worse than oil bought and sold,

Nevertheless, the majority of sold works in the world - this schedule, rather than oil. I do not deny that the schedule requires special storage, and not as expensive, but
1. it is available
2. it can buy a large number of people - "liquidity is another question.
3. Graphics pulled over the rising cost of painting on a particular artist

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Сообщение от Meister

Only unscrupulous dealers in Russia, such interest in the world is 10 percent of the mediator%.

Dealer not only%broker, a dealer may have to sell their expensive at times!

Сообщение от Meister

restoration is specific money, and does not depend on the value of the picture, but from the complexity of the work.

That's right. Prices restoration in Russia do not depend on the price. I at least those costs, the price (what? Restorer knows the price? "Inbox" for customer restoration and anticipated restoration after the "output"?) May not know.

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от Meister

AlexanderG,
I do not vedus of scandals, I'm not interested.

Togda i vyrazaites normal'no, bez obvinenii.


Restoration is the specific money, and does not depend on the value of the picture, but from the complexity of the work.


Ochen 'daze zavisit. Bolee togo, zavisit ot togo, platit kollektsioner ili strahovaia kompaniia. Takimi dogovorami zanimaius' lichno mnogo let.


sell through galleries (in Russia there is little trade, but they already have). Only unscrupulous dealers in Russia, such interest in the world the percentage of the mediator is 10%.

V kakom mire? Ia v Au ne znaiu ni odnogo dillera, kotoryi by rabotal za 10%, da i sam ne rabotaiu za eto.


Storage paintings worth $ 3-5 a day. in the year it turns out $ 1500 if work is expensive and costs more than $ 1 million, these costs are insignificant.

A za piat '- 10 let? Investitsii v art dolgosrochny.


Fire can be insured - a cheap price. flood??? Well this is a quite strange. in general, collections in the homes are not insured.

Togda v sluchae problem, kartiny polnost'iu teriaiutsia. A stoimost 'opiat' na 10 let umnozte.


under serious collection - this is not high costs. If there is a collection of small and inexpensive work

To i investitsionnyi potentsial nevelik.

 a curator and, moreover, the registrar is not required.

No vy ze govorite o millionnikah?




Let's start with that, what is needed cataloging? usually when it is done, the aim pursued promotion and PR collections, including for resale. In this case, the costs are justified, and very well compensated.

Ne obiazatel'no, takie kollektsii ostaiutsia v istorii i investitsiiami ne iavliaiutsia.


Shows. Compare prices for 70-80's and today.

Daleko ne vse tseny vyshli na uroven '80-h. Posle padeniia rynka.


If you do not remember them, then why bring as proof of this argument? It seems this little known minor artists, once you do not remember them.

U menia na imena net pamiati. A v literature v dannyi moment net vremeni ryt'sia.

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Nevertheless, the majority of sold works in the world - this schedule, rather than oil.

Kolichestvenno - da. Toiot toze bol'she prodaiotsia, chem maibahov.

I do not deny that the schedule requires special storage, and not as expensive, but
1. it is available
2. it can buy a large number of people - "liquidity is another question.
3. Graphics pulled over the rising cost of painting on a particular artist

Srok zizni gorazdo men'she, chem u masla ili tempery.

[Meister]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Ochen 'daze zavisit. Bolee togo, zavisit ot togo, platit kollektsioner ili strahovaia kompaniia.

not work with restorers. They'll make a fool, I swear. Themselves think, how can calculate the cost of restoration, based on the value of work? Take two oils, one of Picasso, another disciple of Picasso. At both the same crack, which must be removed. How much is one and the same work should be paid differently ?????

Сообщение от AlexanderG

V kakom mire? Ia v Au ne znaiu ni odnogo dillera, kotoryi by rabotal za 10%, da i sam ne rabotaiu za eto.

very vain, it is international practice. percentage of the mediator is 10%. If this work was bought by you, then you set your own pricing. probably we are talking about different things.

Сообщение от AlexanderG

A za piat '- 10 let? Investitsii v art dolgosrochny.

10 years - 15 thousand dollars if the work is worth 1 million, over these 10 years, it clearly podorazhaet MUCH more than 15 thousand


the other questions I've answered, or have already commented on, so once again do not see the point.

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Meister

I believe, too, did serious research and for many years working in the field of investment in the arts. As a financier of education, and having rich experience in the financial markets, I can assure you that play in the market p /b is much easier, rather than on the art market. So much has been ultra-reliable companies that were considered blue chips, which disappeared at the time and people lost practically everything. And the name even one of the artist, who for a long time is decent money, and then again and turned into a down (again, we are not discussing contemporary art).
Risky and uncertain investments in art are those who have a poor understanding of the structure and trends in the art market. Certainly, for a beginner it seems extremely difficult, but it's not complicated. The risk of loss on investment is much lower than the stock market or real estate and it is understandable why: Monet or Kandinsky, Goncharova, or de Stael will always cost money. ALWAYS They will not demand only in the case of global catastrophe, but it also applies to other assets. Relatively speaking, I do not believe that Rosneft will exist in 50 years, but that Goncharova's work will be needed and will be the price in 50 years - much more confident.

I have often talked about how that investment in the arts and more precisely in the painting, the most reliable and profitable business. We in the Council of Deputies even more. because the market is not to trample. The question in the tool-sale, ie in the auction. But the question turns to the imagination, although some on the forum began to show curiosity and almost took out the brains out of the jar with the cucumbers, but not quite. Prior to Paris for a long time comes, we'll wait.

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Сообщение от Meister

To invest in art, you just need to read carefully at least this forum.

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Eto budet grubeishei oshibkoi. Vy poteriaete vse den'gi.

And this is why?
How can a careful reading of the forum lead to the loss of "all the money?

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Сообщение от Meister

Relatively speaking, I do not believe that Rosneft will exist in 50 years, but that Goncharova's work will be needed and will be the price in 50 years - much more confident.

I totally agree!

[Meister]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

I totally agree!
In the next Goncharova can still make the list long, long ...

so long that it will be read three days and three nights )))))))))))))))))))))))))

[mihailovoh]

Meister,
Money invested in shares can be converted into cash immediately, even with vygryshem.hot loss. Money invested in forging net.vlozhennye in the fashionable artist through the years with hardly vygryshem .. During the war, or after it (and even in the years 1991-95) painting was worth a penny.
Goncharova.Lanskoy and so on. it's not for a beginner is to professionala.i not a fact. that prices will rise as well. russkih.u new demand which is nothing but money and ambition are not the best dvigatel.Nuzhna culture and traditsii.kotoryh yet. It is always plunge is the law for anyone else doing imitations. cause the signature of more expensive avtora.podmeny a ready ekspertizy.razduvanie prices. (work bought at the Gelos and others you will see other several times more, almost immediately, and they stand for years, or when alone. Two of the shoot and all the more silence)
The idea of direct selling artists with a forum kollktsioneram. (Not the dealer for resale) no support even in the form oprosa.Hotya uveren.chto many would have been nice. That his works would have been possible in more collections. This investment is not in dengi.a name and viewer.

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Сообщение от mihailovoh

It is always plunge

So beginner and the market p /b-plunge will not find it.

[Veronic]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

So beginner and the market p /b-plunge will not find it.

why talk about the initial investment in 1000-3000 dollars in antiques that the securities market in gold that the real estate list goes ....)))) is not investment. I'd rather just buy myself something more for the soul than to preserve and increase capital.

1000-3000 dollars. no investment capital.