In that invest beginner?

[Meister]

to invest in stocks, you should very well understand that you buy, and to monitor the situation on the market, so your shares are not turned into sheets of paper or a virtual registry entries. To invest in art, you just need to read carefully at least this forum. In the art market, a huge number of names for secure attachment (I'm not talking about contemporary artists). Perhaps these investments and will bring huge revenues, but their money you will not lose, but with the shares is a big question.

[Fed]

Сообщение от mihailovoh

cayman,
Buy for the soul.

Cayman over the past year with the issue and has probably forgotten about investments in paintings. And as the year has shown, he was right. I agree with the authors, you will first need to create ways of liquidity, or 100%have them, and then invest. Therefore, the question of what painting investing novice, an honest answer, to any, especially in the Council of Deputies, where a general cap. markets-a problem. If you do not perceive the investment as a lottery.
 If itching to do it to invest in something - something specified in all spetsinternete - in coins (in Russia-in Russian), excellent liquidity and a constant, as well as growth. Banknotes-too bad, but in the rare and costly.
 Now is the time in-ant. Silver prices fell heavily, but here we need to understand more - less, and again, wait.

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от Meister

to invest in stocks, you should very well understand that you buy, and to monitor the situation on the market, so your shares are not turned into sheets of paper or a virtual registry entries.

Est 'riad konservativnyh aktsii, prakticheski bezriskovyh. Bonds daze luchshe.

To invest in art, you just need to read carefully at least this forum.

Eto budet grubeishei oshibkoi. Vy poteriaete vse den'gi.


In the art market, a huge number of names for secure attachment (I'm not talking about contemporary artists).

Sovershenno ne verno. Takih imion ochen 'malo.

Perhaps these investments and will bring huge revenues, but their money you will not lose, but with the shares is a big question.

Obiazatel'no poteriaete. Art rynok gorazdo bolee riskovyi, chem rynok aktsii i nedvizimosti.

Vnizu ia vylozil chast 'svoei stat'i o sravnenii investitsii. Pover'te ia sdelal ochen 'serioznoe issledovanie na etu temu i daze dissertatsiiu zaschitil.


Main differences between the share market and the art market:
• The art market is divided into "a series of several small fragmented markets influenced by unquantifiable factors such as fashion, degrees of restoration and aesthetic choice." (Chanin, 1990, p.77). There are substantial differences between the markets for paintings and prints, contemporary art and Old Masters paintings. In every case price is related to each particular subject.
• Hard to standardize - works of art are unique and practically unquantifiable.
• Consequently from the impossibility of standardization, there are no reliable sources of reference supporting investment in art.
21 • Art ownership carries some costs (such as restoration, framing, insurance, freight etc), which are not related to shares.
• Art has geographical boundaries (people tend to buy the art of their own country, and often undervalue foreign art) when shares have equal value internationally.
• There is often a considerable financial loss from commissions paid to dealers or auction houses when selling a painting (from 10-50%), but without a sale no money can be obtained (very seldom money can be loaned for the security of the art , but not a high percentage of the actual price).
• Art does not bring a regular income in the form of annual yield, unlike shares.
• There are many law related particularities (tax deductions, loss deduction, tax benefits etc), which differ between investment in shares and art investment.
"Art as an investment is a misconception that rests on false premises, both aesthetic and financial. Art is a matter of judgment. The word` art 'is value neutral ". This statement is in direct correlation with Marx's concept of "nothing can have value, without being an object of utility" (Marx, 1867), which was mentioned in the chapter on the `Commodification of art ', and it appears that Marx did not contradict himself.
"Art, however, proved unsuitable as a financial instrument, not only because of its illiquidity but because there is just not enough real art around"

[Meister]

Believe me, I also did some serious research and many years working in the field of investment in the arts. As a financier of education, and having rich experience in the financial markets, I can assure you that play in the market p /b is much easier, rather than on the art market. So much has been ultra-reliable companies that were considered blue chips, which disappeared at the time and people lost practically everything. And the name even one of the artist, who for a long time is decent money, and then again and turned into a down (again, we are not discussing contemporary art).
Risky and uncertain investments in art are those who have a poor understanding of the structure and trends in the art market. Certainly, for a beginner it seems extremely difficult, but it's not complicated. The risk of loss on investment is much lower than the stock market or real estate and it is understandable why: Monet or Kandinsky, Goncharova, or de Stael will always cost money. ALWAYS They will not demand only in the case of global catastrophe, but it also applies to other assets. Relatively speaking, I do not believe that Rosneft will exist in 50 years, but that Goncharova's work will be needed and will be the price in 50 years - much more confident.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Meister

To invest in art, you just need to read carefully at least this forum.

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Eto budet grubeishei oshibkoi. Vy poteriaete vse den'gi.

And this is why?
How can a careful reading of the forum lead to the loss of "all the money?

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Сообщение от Meister

Relatively speaking, I do not believe that Rosneft will exist in 50 years, but that Goncharova's work will be needed and will be the price in 50 years - much more confident.

I totally agree!

[Meister]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

I totally agree!
In the next Goncharova can still make the list long, long ...

so long that it will be read three days and three nights )))))))))))))))))))))))))

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от Meister

I believe, too, did serious research and for many years working in the field of investment in the arts.

Zamechatel'no, kollega. Debatirovat 's finansistom interesno.

 As a financier of education, and having rich experience in the financial markets, I can assure you that play in the market p /b is much easier, rather than on the art market.

Kakoi rynok tsennyh bumag vy imeete v vidu? Rossiiskii ili mirovoi?


 So much has been ultra-reliable companies that were considered blue chips, which disappeared at the time and people lost practically everything.

Ia v dannoe vremia zanimaius' tol'ko Avstraliiskim rynkom. No, skazem, Microsoft, Coca-Cola, BP zvuchat vpolne ubeditel'no.

And the name even one of the artist, who for a long time is decent money, and then again and turned into a down (again, we are not discussing contemporary art).


Oni uze byli nazvany v predyduschih temah. No takih ne malo.

Risky and uncertain investments in art are those who have a poor understanding of the structure and trends in the art market.

Tak ze, ka i v rynke ts /b

Certainly, for a beginner it seems extremely difficult, but it's not complicated. The risk of loss on investment is much lower than the stock market or real estate and it is understandable why: Monet or Kandinsky, Goncharova, or de Stael will always cost money. ALWAYS

Konechno budut, no kakih? Pribyl 's nih vozmozna tol'ko v sluchae prodazi.
Soderzanie, strahovanie, konsrvatsiia, i pr. , Ne schitaia protsenta prodavtsa zaberut l '; vinuiu doliu pribyli, esli ne bol'she.

Ni o kakom pokvartal'nom dohode rechi net, perekreditovat'sia pod nih prakticheski ne vozmozno. Imenno poetomu ia utverzdaiu, chto art ne iavliaetsia sravnimym instrumentom.


They will be required only in case of global catastrophe, but it also applies to other assets. Relatively speaking, I do not believe that Rosneft will exist in 50 years, but that Goncharova's work will be needed and will be the price in 50 years - much more confident.

A vy ne dumali o bezvozvratnoi potere kartiny?

Do sih por nikto ubeditel'no ne dokazal investitsionnoi tsennosti iskusstva, v to vremia, kak rynok ts /b ziviot davno.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

And this is why?
How can a careful reading of the forum lead to the loss of "all the money?

Ustanut chitat ', zaputaiutsia v protivorechivyh mneniiah, zanervnichaiut i nadelaiut oshibok.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Ustanut chitat ', zaputaiutsia v protivorechivyh mneniiah, zanervnichaiut i nadelaiut oshibok.

And, then you have nothing to read:
Sergei Sergeyevich, no! Oh if evil stop:
Pick up all the books but would burn. (c)

[Люси]

Сообщение от Fed

If itching to do it to invest in something - something specified in all spetsinternete - in coins (in Russia-in Russian), excellent liquidity and a constant, as well as growth.

You are nothing, a growth ? Russian coins dropped in price considerably since the crisis. When comparing pre-crisis prices and prices for precious coins of tsarist Russia to date .. the difference is palpable. <! -- - ~ 1 ~-->.

[AlexanderG]

Da, sovsem zabyl upomianut 'o likvidnosti.

Tol'ko predstav'te sebem chto vam nado srochno prodat 'kartinu: fil'm uzasov!!!

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

A, then you have nothing to read:
Sergei Sergeyevich, no! Oh if evil stop:
Pick up all the books but would burn. (c)

Kirill, vy ze pomnite eti podurovni: poluchenie informatsii - analiz - sintes.

Na urovne polucheniia informatsii sintezirovat 'nel'zia.