Forgery in the auction, "Three Centuries" November 10, 2013

[Artem]

Сообщение от Maroussia

Sorry, I'm a little confused : the story of the consequences of which asks Artem, and the history of counterfeiting of Nilus with expertise Gerashchenko , which began topic Vivienne - are one and the same ? Subject obviously cut and, as usual , in the most interesting place ... So it's hard to understand "fresh examination of the rank rank " - is what ? For whose signature ... If the examination , it was said, "fresh " and even Moscow - we have already begun to insure professional liability experts. So ....

 Sorry , I made ​​a mess ... featured two different expertise to work as a total expert .. but here it is -.

Сообщение от Vivien

I already wrote once in the subject Fakes http: //forum.artinvestment.ru /show...61#post2040861
about fake picture P.Nilusa with expert advice Gerashchenko .

Now, a year and a half , she pops up at auction
http://www.triveka-auction.com/
Lot number 43.
Please remove the organizers is from the auction , as the sole and original work of P. Nilus is in Odessa. Photo 1 - the original. Photo 2 - forgery .

[anik]

Why does the buyer need an expert piece of paper ? Because he does not trust the seller.
If, on the one hand, you will be working on a way to inspire and honest seller to the buyer , and the other - to show the insignificance of papers dishonest , irresponsible "experts" , then eventually achieve that buyers will trust the sellers and may appear conscientious experts (unless, of course, be imputed to them the material and criminal responsibility for their signature ) .

[Вивьен]

Сообщение от Maroussia ; 2835341 "

Subject clear cut and, as usual , in the most interesting place ...

Alas ...
It's all about the lyrics of "bad " experts , but some of the answers so far no one knows :
1. Was Odessa expertise ? Refer to it in this thread, but it vanished during an attack on a forum. If so, can we see it?
2 . The results of chemical analysis .
3 . Provenance .

[uriart]

mobydick, I understand that the way you present this fake job?
So I 'll tell you something .
This work is a fake , I was featured in Kiev still 5-7 years ago. It was unsigned.
 and if I remember correctly (do not want to indicate to the person) after a conversation with me was made by chemical analysis of the paint layer to the work. And he revealed that the work was written 3-5 years ago.
This is a brand I know for sure . And if the person who showed it to me will not mind if I call the person's name . Addition, I've seen this work.

[Вивьен]

uriart, Thank you very much for this post in this thread.

Today counterfeiting is no longer on the territory of Ukraine, and now the only Russian specialists to understand how is it possible that an employee could NINE March 4, 2011 to give an expert opinion on the job.

[тандем]

Сообщение от uriart; 2835641 "

Now I tell you something ....

Oh , right , " dyutetektiv " ....
uriart, obizhaytes.Ya not mean all of this never-ending story about the stupid desire to cash in on the wheeler-dealer making falshakov . Infinite , because there were before " Nilus ." They sold them successfully on the Ukrainian auctions and will sell more . Yes, with regard to the examination, then how Vakulenko told her in Ukraine. No. her in Russia . And there is the desire of individuals with the seals in their pockets to get their share of the pie . Even if these pies with potato peelings .

[Маруся]

Сообщение от Vivienne , 2835531 "

Alas ...
It's all about the lyrics of "bad " experts , but some of the answers so far no one knows :
1. Was Odessa expertise ? Refer to it in this thread, but it vanished during an attack on a forum. If so, can we see it?
2 . The results of chemical analysis .
3 . Provenance .

Magic word - provenance ! Those who have no provenance - he is forced to ask the experts , and they could be as lucky ...
Any long-term provenance outweigh the opinion of many experts put together.
Vivienne !
Since you wrote about this job a long time ago - you and cards in your hand . Collect all the data on the original in the form of documents or confirmed data ( when created , who sold on what the exhibition for who owns today) + get confirmation that Nilus did not repeat ( as I understand it , you have access to the archives of the artist ) .
Internet forums - it certainly is power, but the legal issues are best addressed with documents in rrukah .
More and reparation will be able to ... and in Russia too.

[uriart]

tandem, "" Yes, with regard to the examination, how rightly said Vakulenko, Ukraine does not have it ""

Well, if Vakulenko, so to speak, was referring to himself in the first place, he is absolutely right!
Although he claims to be an expert for almost all sections of painting, etc.

[Вивьен]

Сообщение от Maroussia

More and reparation will be able to ...
and in Russia too.

Thank you)))) But I do not need any compensation.
The damage inflicted is not just me, but the reputation of experts that issued the report.

[Маруся]

Сообщение от Vivienne , 2836341 "

Thank you) ))) But I do not need any compensation . The damage inflicted is not just me, but the reputation of experts that issued the report.

Yes please )))
I was more worried about that , " the artistic heritage of the artist" and least of all about the reputation of the experts ( I have at this point there own opinion )
If all the protests will remain at this forum - then so be it
Who is against ?