Kurt Melech? Help assess the picture is about 180 years.

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Сообщение от AL160; 2452031"

we can Myasoedov, I have repeatedly heard that his picture is there, but what? In 1870, in Crimea could not get from, well, somewhere 8-10 years later, he was in the Crimea, seems moved there to live ... (I may be mistaken, I apologize in advance).

Grigory Myasoedov could not be the author of this work. Never. Do not, under any circumstances. Neither in style nor in painting. This version can safely discarded (if that - tell me what Dilettante commanded. >
In Crimea, GG, of course, been (and repeatedly), and besides, who else been there? However, it is still he bought near Poltava ... Estate Myasoedova Pavlenko better known by the numerous works of Eugene Zotov (that is - of Ivan Myasoedova).
As for the ability to deploy edge yourself, if you are not a certified renovator - do not even try. First you have to make preventive sticking, then - deploy, then ... In general, this process is not for crazy handles. Try looking for girls of GRC (may be - from the Department of graphics. They perform such work on "one - two." I do not think it's worth a fortune. Phone is on the site).
To a question about my participation in the "dig": deign to leave your contact information. I'll try to find a way to contact you.

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Сообщение от AL160

But the picture can not be a copy.

Stress:

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

I would guess

and ask you to pay attention to "I" and "suggested".
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Not afraid to make a mistake, because just expressed my hypothesis arose when you first look for a job.

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Сообщение от AL160

But the picture can not be a copy.

Stress:

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

I would guess

and ask you to pay attention to "I" and "suggested".
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Not afraid to make a mistake, because just expressed my hypothesis arose when you first look for a job.

[AL160]

I did not want to affect your professional skills, if offended, please forgive me ...
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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2451651"

less, of course .

It seemed to me a strange picture . Because , first, why the signature on the sleeve ? Work can not be 1829. At the time, the predominant one academic , painting was thin, with other technical and ideological approach , examples below (note that the background of the portrait of a dark and not light , and your picture is very tight underpainting , not liquid, as was made evident unfinished at his hands) . To me, the signature of the image is irrelevant.
Second, a professional artist , but why is the girl so awkward cut right hand?
Third, the picture, which is "a couple of hundred years," not even a little craquelure, even at the crease , and the shine is not a century - an amazing preservation. I have not seen this .
The painting was done on top of the other, can be seen near the signature and the crook . And the bottom layer just gave shedding .
Question. What nails spanned canvas? Kohl stretcher true , then the nails should be the same.
P.S. Kurt Meliha unlikely you'll find , and work of the 20th century.

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I often question arises: why let a layer of paint on the bead?
Bead can be glued.
Why native bead disappeared?
They do not cut with a knife on a portrait of the world, then to ruin ... it is a delusion?
Who can say?

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Сообщение от AL160

I did not want to affect your professional skills, if offended, please forgive me ...
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So what are you?
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It's okay, talk, discuss, think out loud ...

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Сообщение от Artem, 2452201"

It seemed to me a strange picture. Because, first, why the signature on the sleeve? Work can not be 1829. At the time, the predominant one academic, painting was thin, with other technical and ideological approach, examples below (note that the background of the portrait of a dark and not light, and your picture is very tight underpainting, not liquid, as was made evident unfinished at his hands). To me, the signature of the image is irrelevant.
Second, a professional artist, but why is the girl so awkward cut right hand?
Third, the picture, which is "a couple of hundred years," not even a little craquelure, even at the crease, and the shine is not a century - an amazing preservation. I have not seen this.
The painting was done on top of the other, can be seen near the signature and the crook. And the bottom layer just gave shedding.
Question. What nails spanned canvas? Kohl stretcher true, then the nails should be the same.
P.S. Kurt Meliha unlikely you'll find, and work of the 20th century.

Dear Artem! There was such a very old epigram: "I read you - and angry, why I learned to read and write ..."
Similar feelings, to his chagrin, and I experienced.
So.
1. As for the signature. The signature can be placed by the author on your own, almost - everywhere: in the picture sleeve, the fence (if the fence), arms of the chair (with this), end table top, pad, hat box, a word - in any of the items included in the composition . (Gorbunov, for example, in one of his signature works placed on the image of dog collar, and Gong - and all "wove" signature pattern of the carpet). In short, the artist has the right to place his signature wherever he pleases. (Idiots have published autograph across the cheek or on the forehead - I have not seen ...)
Moreover, as follows from the images, as well as the story of the owner and subsequent discussion - the canvas is cut on the perimeter, and the edges (of course - with fragments of paintings) are bent on the ends of the stretcher. Well, as you know - the signature of a few and moved ... In the same way, the reason "why a girl so awkward right hand cut off." Oh, and for the same reason, finally, no frame, no nails can not be "family." (Great, of course, tempting to assume that the owner of old nails wrapped in a silk scarf, carefully preserved, and stretch to a new sub-frame - celebrated their reuse. But if I'm going to insist on it - laughed at the local wits. Therefore leave this hypothesis for the theme ... well, let's say - "Ghosts of the multiplication table." What? I think through mesyachishko - and the other is possible).
2. About the time of creation. The first quarter of the XIX century (as possible while creating the work) is also stopped to discuss a couple of pages back. Like the author of the mysterious "Meliha Kurt."
Thanks to the professionalism of colleagues Raskatova the above phrase was defined as a geographical name. (So ​​the artist with the same name and surname is also no one seems to be not looking).
Conspired until the last quarter of the XIX century > so the visuals you seem at least strange, but the arguments about "academism" - a little out of place. Academicism academicism - are different. And even the famous "hunker" V.P.Vereschagine the IAH wrote quite differently than when Bruni ...
Well, as the underlying image - then you, of course, know better. (But it reminds me of the chemical analysis "by eye." Esoteric practices such I do not own and did not hope to learn. Late in the day).
Accordingly, the offer is not to reinvent the wheel, but to speak to the point.
Sincerely, Dt.

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I remembered who I was reminded by this girl beggar.
Well, of course - ersonazhey H.P.Platonova!
And first of all, strangely enough, "Boy - Bulgarian."
Here.

(Something I have photos of myself not immediately found, but it and so, I think everyone knows that. Such a cutie, archery aiming viewer right in the eye ...)

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Сообщение от Dilettante , 2452291"

I remembered who I was reminded by this girl beggar. Well , of course - ersonazhey H.P.Platonova ! And first of all , strangely enough , " Boy - Bulgarian ." Here.
( Something I have photos of myself not immediately found, but it and so , I think everyone knows that. Such a cutie, archery aiming viewer right in the eye ...)

That "cutie"? >

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Сообщение от Artem , 2452201"

What spanned painting nails ?

Length of about 5-6 mm, in the form of 4- sided cone. What I can confirm is the fact that the last about 60 years, no one is opened, the rest only God knows ...

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2452331"

This " cute "?

Are very similar and their clothes and by the look , and the very selection of paints , hair. I'm not an artist, but a general view of shocked me.

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Сообщение от Amateur , 2452061

That Myasoedova Pavlenko better known by the numerous works of Eugene Zotov (that is - of Ivan Myasoedova ).

Amateur, thanks a lot.
 Feed me with your interested I.G.Myasoedov ( E.Zotov ).
What a fantastic life ! Incredible personality.
That's just one of the links.
http://seance.ru/n/33-34/biopic33-34/vanechka/
And it is a book about him
A.I.Kovalenko . Ivan Myasoedov - artist of the Silver Age .
http://makedonez49.narod2.ru/myasoedov_-_1998_g.pdf

AL160, sorry for offtopic >