How to unleash the artist

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Сообщение от Vladimir Vladimirovich, 2746301

Residents of Simferopol for a holiday trip, do not need a lot of money.

So, in fact, the world to see, and to see how other people live!

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Lord , is forced to lead a serious and fair treatment from the Artcol, the topic of discussion is as follows - " Return on investment in works of art. Profitable to invest in that ".

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There was a forum dedicated to the art business , and has become - dedicated to politics in its most idiotic form .

Ask to mobilize and generate new , fresh ideas , and ideas.
Who wants to be a catalyst for discussion?
Maybe we should show the art of the individual authors and exposed them to begin to discuss prices and paintings as potential targets ? This in my opinion is called extrapolation ... in mathematics approximate method of finding the unknown values ​​of the quantity on the basis of the known ...
Or are all confident that the glory of the artist 95%depends on the moment (how much money is invested in the promotion ) ?
Let's think about how to brainstorm , without criticizing , and supplementing . Dissent we will not shoot , zinc has not brought up .

The leader would say, " Oh, petty comrades Fajbisovich , do not be silent there .. Tell me : " Art is an area of ​​risk or " kitsch shameful ? "

" That's what he thinks about the current situation of contemporary art Simon Fajbisovich - the artist is definitely modern, but not dropping realism to ship today ... " The Art of the risk zone or " kitsch infamous "?
     Why are the words "contemporary art" very often means things for the average person is not art at all : piles of trash , formless daub or acts of street hooliganism ? Why such a view is clearly not shared by the majority, found such strong support from both progressive intellectuals and the wealthy circles ?
Correspondent " Rosbalta " Leonid Smirnov asks :
- Simon Natanovich , what do we have , according to many intellectuals , neither realism is not modern or not modern art in general , and the only modern " installation" , some pieces of a bad movie , or even tipping over police cars ?
And this is - and there is a vertex ? Are not all contemporary, that is created today in all genres ?
- No , contemporary art in the civilized introduction - it is not all that makes contemporaries . Not all.
- What is it?

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- This is an art that is looking for some new forms adequate to the challenges of the time trying to find the language in which we can speak with his time , with his contemporaries . That dwell points in the growth and risk zones . In other words , modern art always contains an element of innovation - that did not exist before .
     And I am sure that this does not necessarily have to be the forms of expression beyond the "traditional" art : installation, performance, action , interactive - as now commonly believed. I am convinced that painting and sculpture have a powerful innovative resource - it takes just to smell it, to discover and use .
     Besides contemporary art , a beauty . In Soviet times, it was the breeding grounds of the Union of Artists, whose members were convinced that create high art . In fact, they and their followers today operate in an already established culture of aesthetic and ethical views . Operate , often quite professional , that is already there - in other words, the fact that they have opened up the old master artists and innovators . This art has people's attention , " tasteful " - because , in fact , taste, and is a reflection of the already established aesthetic ideas .
Finally, there is kitsch , pop - " Art belongs to the people ," in other words . Something sculpt, it is clear that the common man.
- It is logical . It is true , nevertheless, such a charge , as " kitsch " requires evidence. Why have , we can say , " time immemorial " so fashionable all scold Ilya Glazunov and Alexander Shilov ? Because they are favored by the government? But to draw something they can do ?
- Keech - not an accusation , but a statement on the orientation of the artist's " consumer goods ." In fact , these " luminaries " draw worse than many in the contemporary art. Just their fans , because of lack of training , can not distinguish mastery of craft skill, even when, and with it the author of the problem.
     Kitsch - is an analogue of political populism : playing the promiscuous , the appeal to immature people - in this case , undeveloped aesthetically . Glazunov used to be something he could, but then I realized that in order to " please the people" does not have anything to be able to , and if you can, it is best not to show it . It is necessary to make a substitute that is without any resistance , and the gap is the soul of an unprepared audience , creating in that sense that he was involved in this art . Their only idea - potraflyat . They have absolutely no risk - just " podmahivala ."
After all, why they like the powers that be ? Because we have the cultural level of power is identical to the cultural level of the untrained layman . Kings of kings , gave a qualitative cultural education , while Communist leaders , especially of late , and it did not exist , as in the present : there, that Luzhkov and Moscow did.
- All right. So , on the one hand, Glazunov and Shilov, who paint as they can. On the other hand - Alexander Brener, who just cocoa in the Pushkin Museum , Oleg Kulik , who was biting on all fours give the legs now - it means " War" with its overturning cars. Wow choice turns out, and do not want to go anywhere .
- Unless specifically about a group of "war" , I think they are working on the verge of artistic and political expression. And perhaps because they have taken the place that nobody before them occupied , it can be considered modern art - including . A new form of expression can not understand why. Some confidently say that it is disorderly conduct , and for this it is necessary to plant , others - that it is a form of political protest , and others - it is pure art . It turns out, this and that , and another, and a third time - and, therefore, something fourth . A phenomenon.
Some things they do very clever : I like their action at the St. Petersburg Bridge. Some of their stuff to me less clear - not " cut in " why it was necessary to turn the police cars . But I am impressed that they are not cowards. We live in a country of cowards and slaves : as it was, and continues. One wanting to lick the seat of power a dime a dozen , and they give the power kick in this place , they have the courage.
     Now about the situation in general. In fact, somewhere in the late 1980s and in the space of contemporary art - then called " urgent " - dominated the view that you have voiced : "What is performance, not installation, not a concept - it is not art." And staying there , me being a painter, all on my own experience . I simply pushed vzashey in this space , on the grounds that I am not a concept, not a social art , no installation and no action . And moreover, is not an ordinary hooliganism , which was also announced at some point truly modern art.
In the field of contemporary art under this sign all . All the criticism , all the curators . Such was the fashion : to say that painting has exhausted itself - as Pushkin once thrown off the ship stories . That all the pictures have already been written that dealing visible lost all meaning . The visible world is secondary , and contact him unworthy . It should be some kind of new meanings , concepts and forms of expression to create . I am opposed to this alone. Resisted , because I have lived inside the feeling that this is not the case.
- But why this view has prevailed because we in the West ?
- Well, there he prevailed at the time - when the fashion included postmodern . Powerful cultural current , which was let down by serious philosophical base - about the fact that all serious, that the world is unreal , that all - " simulacra " , reflections of reflections . There is no difference between good and bad , true and surrogate , truth and lies , etc. , and all for fun . I , of course, simplify and schematize , referring to the format of our conversation, but the idea about this , and for some time it has won the world . But even in those days, in the West heard other opinions.
But in our postmodern , according to the mentality of the people here , got uncontested and repressive form. This is speaking about the space of contemporary art. But it is important to understand that there is a space was , in fact, a small island in the world kondovogo " postbolshevizma " - so , by the way , and at the island so they smacked .
And the Communists entire twentieth century brought the people to the culture century XIX. With their slogan " take the best , created by mankind ," that is , with the installation of looking back , they just passed the world "parallel " culture of the twentieth century , calling her a " bourgeois ." And all that was happening in the art of this century, they called them " a disgrace " - so all role models and have appeared in the past. So it happened that the people belonging to him and entered the art of XXI century XIX on luggage and even earlier ages. And this is the moss-covered , which is played Shilov , Glazunov , and the like.
- Many people probably would not agree with the fact that the focus on the XIX century - it is bad.
- Of course - they also brought up the fact that it's just fine. But I'm not about being good or bad, and that is the century before last . It's not about that Pushkin - a bad poet . He is a genius - was, is and will be. And Repin, for me, a wonderful artist , just passed a century of very interesting art on which to build further - today's development , and of which the majority are not aware of, or are accustomed to thinking in arms , as taught by the Bolsheviks . So now we need to catch up, unless we want to remain cultural reservation and want to be part of the civilized world .
    And if you look back to prevail ... When the Iron Curtain fell , the Soviet nonconformist art , the former in a modern civilized ideas came out of hiding and was claimed by the West. Then it was a strategic decision as to win the West this to say: Americans are stupid , they have more than one thought in your head does not fit , so they need to implement only one simple and intelligible thought: "Contemporary Russian art - it's conceptualism and social art , and everything else - the provincial attempts . "
- You hold a special position in this confrontation ?
- I was inside of contemporary art, but in opposition to his "general line" - went on his way , well, or spit into the wind , as it then appeared . And now it turns out that the way I was just ahead of his time . Quarter of a century has passed , and everything finally " kerf " and that " the artist wanted to say his work ." As noted by one known kritikessa a couple of years ago in an interview with me : " Yes, you have single-handedly created a portrait of the era, and we have not noticed ." Naturally, in an interview published this statement samorazoblachitelnaya not got.
Conceptualism and sotsart mainly operated by the signs and symbols that the "system" itself expressed : portraits of leaders , slogans , posters, red stars , hammers and sickles , etc. And I was interested in the undeveloped areas , unnamed , neartikulirovannogo - peripheral to the cultural and purely visual sense. Just people in the subway , on the bus or train station , where no one looks at anyone , and everyone knows that not look at that . Something anonymous , casual, mimohodnoe , homely , what , however, it seemed to me face "the system" - from there it looked at me . And I looked at him. Staring contest ended in a natural way , though, and the unexpected - the "system" has died in front of me .
- You seem to call " fotorealist ."
- Well, it's just slander in order to get me out of the context of contemporary art and written in the provincial imitators . Photorealism - this particular direction, which was popular in the West in the 1960s - 1970s , when they took a photo and one to one portrayed her brush on large canvases . The photo was and the beginning and the end - an end in itself , a word.
For me, photography was a way to gather material - to take accurate invoice. On the bus, I'm not able to do nabrosochki - everything is shaking , moving and changing every second . Filmed on a black-and- white film , and then he made prints , not caring about their " artistic " and generally quality. Then he waited in mind these prints , and what I saw with my own eyes and feel will " grow together " , finding the color and art form - and even then out on the canvas ...
It was a fun exercise - take the buses , subways, trains , in lines for vodka. And by well-wishers who spies were caught, there was no end , and from the vigilantes , and even chat with a drunk gebisty who handed me over to the police station - everything was. And then , showing the work to come across disparaging criticism of the "reference group" of contemporary art. And then, and nowhere was the show - not to mention , there is no one to sell ...
The situation is magically changed four years ago when my old work of an American collection came up for auction and it turns out that they are some crazy money. So - by the market to free competition - it turned out that I was the most expensive Russian artist living at home. And then a few more sales at the world's largest auction confirmed that.
However, the most expensive - does not mean the richest . Auctions - is a secondary market , it sells from one collection to another purchase . It's not the money that I was going. But it was all a complete surprise to me and started a new life . Only negative attitude of criticism preserved - the same since the same people dug . I have now created a new portrait of the era, and they do not see that again . The difference is that now I do on the drum.
- How do you feel about the formula - it sounded , in particular, publicist Michael Berg - that the modern artist should not portray the beauty and affect nerve era?
- Nerve touch - of course. But for me there is no dilemma or beauty - and then it's not a modern art - or nerve; dilemma , which insists Berg and almost all the others, is an expert on contemporary art . In my opinion, they are so ekspertiruyut yesterday. I believe that contemporary art can and should show the world the beauty - just a new one. Search and find it there, where up to now it was thought not. The finding , overcoming the ugliness , clumsy, clobbered . Show how beauty is that prior to the presentation it was not considered .

A " orthodox criticism " insisted and continues to insist that any positive statement , any appeal to the senses , emotions , humanity - by definition, kitsch shameful . Why I was and remain unacceptable for her figure. Just today it all but it is clear who among us really behind the times.
- " Orthodox criticism " seems to be still very strong. And the faithful gallery too. Generally speaking, he lived such a powerful industry of contemporary art, is clearly not the paid labor penny a mass audience ? Who has " winery ", " Garage "?
- Well, what about " a powerful industry," you , unfortunately, are exaggerating . Although pockets do arise . On the " Winery " as far as I know , there are the owners - the owners of the former brewery . They rent out the reconstructed buildings , and rent the main Moscow galleries , some other cultural institutions , specialized shops ... People are so grouped together to create some sort of "density" of contemporary art , attracting viewers and customers.
" Garage " - is Dasha Zhukova, for her, as you know , Roman Abramovich , and he has some money just so deep. By the way, " Garage " makes a very good non-profit exhibition. They bring and show that it is unclear who would be here still showed . The same Mark Rothko - a great artist , and I have it in such numbers and such as exposure to nowhere " Garage " is not seen. On the other hand it is clear that the focus here is not on the general public , and to those who are interested.
So I understand what you are : " Hogwash any , nothing is clear and it is unclear who is behind this garbage is paying through the nose - some fools ! ". But after paying ! There is a reality , as the international art market. Reputable auction , which is determined by the market , what, who and how much , the whole big world of well-established institutions with major exposure , sales , review, collectibles, muzeifikatsii .
We have the market only in the making. At first he was just a toy - and in size, and by the way , for example, that the galleries were called galleries, without selling anything , because there was no one . Gallery owners have survived by some businesses and artists - in general is not very clear , due to what . And now we have the galleries and artists who live well with the sale of works - and not so little . Just this market and this world is not for everyone - and so , by the way , all over the world : we want to get into it in any capacity - and to make it relevant efforts .
If you want something to see and understand , begin to walk on exhibitions - just an open mind. If you want to be an artist , to create something and go to the portfolio through the galleries , offering their product. If you want to buy , earn a lot of money . A little joke , but really the road by walking - it's not been said yesterday .
For example, many of the current collectors of contemporary art began with antiques and old paintings . And then they came across something modern and touched them to the quick - the most " nerve era ," and they all gave up and started to collect new art. They seized that it is actively related to the life that is around us, and this is much more interesting than the old art .
T s - a good investment , but here , in addition to the keen interest that cause works themselves , have a game of chance and quite - you yourself choose who like it, bet on who will be the next star. I've seen how quickly these people have changed the notion of what art is and what it collected - as they go, " cut in " and the plant .
Well, the number of viewers of contemporary art is growing rapidly. Here , the Biennale has just ended . Held at dozens of sites across the city, and only the main exhibition in the " Artplee " visited 70 thousand people. That's a lot . I can not say that I personally enjoyed it there . But it does not matter : it is important that most of the audience - young people . Not that they're all understood or liked , but it was interesting . They go on , " winery " and " Garage " and in other places where they can feel the pulse of contemporary art. And these young people are increasing, and they are better guided in their new world.
Personally, I am more interested to talk about after all those whom the art of attracting and somehow recruits - though this is only a minority of the population. A majority, which it is to light bulbs - or even annoyed that - well , if I caught the following relationship : if it wants to live in a free country , who are looking forward , it should be free to thrive , asylum- art ".

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Сообщение от Hans Gunner

ZINC has not brought up.

Sorry.
What is a "ZINC"?

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA

Sorry. What is a " ZINC "?

Zinc - (a military term) - the metal box , usually for storing and carrying ammunition ( ammo, etc. ..) .
◆ We left eight people and two rounds of zinc . Andrew Lazarchuk , Michael Uspensky, "Look into the eyes of monsters ", 1996
◆ Only pitfall Antonova temporarily withdrew the regiment out of action , but the retreating enemy , he did not leave a single code no gigs , no single cartridge zinc. Mikhail Sholokhov , " Quiet Flows the Don ", 1928-1940 , the
◆ On a trunk lying : Gregory unfamiliar machine gun system , a cover of binoculars , cartridge zinc, carbine with a dark lodge , and a brand new , nepotertym , dull blue-gray trunk. Mikhail Sholokhov , " Quiet Flows the Don ", 1928-1940 , the

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Hans Gunner ; 2746511 "

A majority, which it is to light bulbs - or even annoyed that - well , if I caught the following relationship : if it wants to live in a free country , who are looking forward , it should be free to thrive , asylum art ".

Zinc is probably still ride. We have the most, just more interested in art than in the west . That's not the point. What is the point to buy a very expensive paintings in the galleries and the artists , if they then have no place to sell. Besides government policy does not provide for interest to the scenic arts. In minutes ku3lte not every department of art in general . There is a department of the Cossack and some other nonsense , and the new Tretyakov Gallery , with its new director of the loan exhibition dear to her heart exhibition " non -garde " people do not go and I 'll go from boring and bezdarno.Fu y. The trunks had to be changed .

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Apparently Zinc is still ride. We have the most, just more interested in art than in the west . That's not the point. What is the point to buy a very expensive paintings in the galleries and the artists , if they then have no place to sell. Besides government policy does not provide for interest to the scenic arts. In minutes ku3lte not every department of art in general . There is a department of the Cossack and some other nonsense , and the new Tretyakov Gallery , with its new director of the loan exhibition dear to her heart exhibition " non -garde " people do not go and I 'll go from boring and bezdarno.Fu y. The trunks had to be changed .

Yes , barrels overheated .. yet, as important and sverhneobhodimo have a response to the aspirations of the people from the officials of art. Have contact . Sometimes it seems that we are like matryoshka ... and excitement , thoughts , experiences, grassroots level 7 , walk only on the 7th and no other level.
It is clear that the state is still , and remains the only hope for the private sector, private equity finance enthusiasts and groups interested in these matters . But they also have their problems .. enormous costs put pressure on infrastructure .. this burden is not for the weak.

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Сообщение от Pavel; 2746631 "

and the new Tretyakov Gallery , with its new director of the loan exhibition dear to her heart exhibition " non -garde " people do not go and I 'll go dull and mediocre .

In the Tretyakov Gallery on the Crimean shaft visiyat Larionov , Goncharova , Malevich , Filonov , Kandinsky , Chagall , Popov, Udaltsov , Drevin , Petrov -Vodkin, Maljavin , Mashkov , Konchalovsky, Kuprin Lentulov , Tatlin , Cluny, Rilov , Schr , Falk , Rodchenko, Rozanov , Exter, Osmerkin , Stepanova , Volkov, Huon , radish, Dejneka , Luchishkin , Pimenov , Labas , Williams Rublev, Pavel Kuznetsov , Roerich , Corinne , Istomin , Nesterov , Gerasimov , laktionov , S. Gerasimov , Reshetnikov Plastov , Nyssa , Jablonsky , Stazharau , Gavrilov , Korzhev , Salah , Popkov, Kugach , Andronov, Nikonov, Žilina , Roginskii , Rabin , Krasnopevtsev, Turkish, Nazarenko, Viktor Ivanov, Schwartzman Nesterov , Edward Steinberg , Sherstuk , Nemuhin , Juices , Ter -Oganyan , Bulatov and other great Russian artists .

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[QUOTE=Heavy Hans ; 2746511 ] Lord , is forced to lead a serious and fair treatment from the Artcol, the topic of discussion is as follows - " Return on investment in works of art. Profitable to invest in that " .
Ask to mobilize and generate new , fresh ideas , and ideas.
Who wants to be a catalyst for discussion?
Maybe we should show the art of the individual authors and exposed them to begin to discuss prices and paintings as potential targets ? This in my opinion is called extrapolation ... in mathematics approximate method of finding the unknown values ​​of the quantity on the basis of the known ...
Or are all confident that the glory ... 95%depends on the moment (how much money is invested in the promotion ) ?
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I bring to your attention the interesting publication at Forbes , just in terms of " yield investments and ... what more profitable to invest "
" Profitable Stradivari : What violin rise in price by 26 000 %
Violins do not fall in price even during the crisis.
How to choose the investment?
Violin , made master, like any piece of art can be the object of investment. And buying violins , judging from the last few decades , has become a win-win investment idea .
The rising cost of violin by Antonio Stradivari and Giuseppe Guarneri ahead of the rising cost of gold and stock markets.
From 1960 to 2008 the price of Stradivarius violins rose 26,000 %( estimate was made on the basis of the most successful violin auctions) . During the same period, gold has increased in value by 2500 %, while the Dow Jones - by 1400 %.

In 2009 , Time magazine published a research economist at the University Brandelz Katherine Graddy , showing that the violin worth more than $ 100,000 does not go down in price , even in times of economic crises. From 1850 to 2009 the price of high-quality tools have grown by an average of 3%a year in real terms, that is ahead of inflation.

Rare violin irreplaceable, so prices are constantly rising. Stradivari in his life created in 1100 String , of which have survived to 512 violins , 13 violas and 67 cellos . Another reason for the rise in prices - the opportunity to take a well-known tool to lease the executor . The average rental yield of rare violins is 3-5 %. Rent which thus accumulate owners , increases the demand for violin master and makes prices fall. The third reason - the emergence of new buyers as welfare , for example, in Asia. For example, last year, Taiwan Chi Mei Foundation announced plans to spend $ 500 million over the next two years to buy rare violins.

Despite the steady increase in prices, it is considered that inflate " skripochny " bubble impossible. According to the famous buyer and seller violin Louis Caporali , for 20 years of investing , he made ​​a lot of mistakes by investing in stocks and real estate. Revalued assets are the stock market necessarily fall in price, but even overrated violin, in his estimation, would justify the investment for a maximum of five years.

Violin buy at auction houses Sotheby's and Christie's, in recent years made ​​great progress in sales of rare instruments specialized auction house Tarisio. Dealers play an active role organizing a private sale .

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main market is formed of the tools of the "new masters " of the late XIX - early XX century , and the violins made ​​by Italian Luthier and modern masters of Germany, England and France. Depending on behalf of the master, the year of production and quality can be traced to three price categories: from $ 20,000 , $ 10 000-20 000 and $ 000 5000-10 . Tools lesser value to the category are not rare and are not of interest from the point of view of investment.

Investing in violin, as with any investment , carries some risks. First, modern violin can go down in value over the years . This trend is changing only after the master's death . Secondly , with the development of technology increases the number of fakes.

You can protect yourself from fraud when dealing with well-known mediators have an excellent reputation. Those such as:
- Christopher Reuning,
- Peter Biddulph,
- Carriage House Violins Reuning & Son.
To assess the authenticity of the violin can turn to a professional , but it's not a hundred percent guarantee . All sorts of tests, which were attended by music critics , experts and virtuosos , showed that even the best experts often can not tell the real Stradivarius violin by Guarneri , or just a good factory job.

What should I buy a violin in terms of investment ? The most profitable tool , the price of which was estimated to be about $ 1 million Such a tool is reasonable to hold 5-10 years. In addition, the violin cost from $ 1 million have a life- insurance on everything, including mechanical damage. A case where a musician, having slipped on the steps of his house , fell and broke box rented by Stradivari in the chips. Insurance company - it was a General Electric Finance - fully compensate the owner of the loss. Therefore, the risk of loss of capital in such investments is reduced to virtually zero ".

[Pavel]

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Tools lesser value to the category are not rare and are not of interest from the point of view of investment .

Wash Vollard told how he had put up around the Van Gogh went to one man. Van Gogh liked it , but nebilo money. Then he got an inheritance and decided to invest it and bought it, there is not the Van Gogh Museum , and the sketch of academician of the 20 t fr. As a result of his academic depreciated , and the Van Gogh jumped in price. The moral is clear .... There are no tools . Nothing definite , only experience and intuition and knowledge of a foreign experience.

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Сообщение от Fed

What is so often mentioned by Van Gogh close to nonsense, as a possible justification capabilities over time, this nonsense, or the prospects of unremarkable or unsold artist?

 
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